Revs Roster Thread, 2019 Season

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by patfan1, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. KapeGuy

    KapeGuy Member+

    Mar 21, 2010
    Cape Cod
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Heading into the contest, the story was the depleted Birmingham roster, as seven players were unavailable for selection. Forwards Chandler Hoffman and Femi Hollinger-Janzen, midfielders Zach Herivaux and Daigo Kobayashi . . ."

    From the Birmingham website -- anyone know what Herivaux injury is?

    And btw, they are on a 555 streak of not giving up a goal, and they are 5 wins and a draw in their last six games.
     
  2. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cropper seems to be the odd man out, with the other 2 keepers being signed to new deals...
     
  4. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cropper comes a'cropper? Who'd a thunk it? ;)
     
  5. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cropper is auditioning for an expansion team in Hartford. It’s kind of classy of the Revs to do that. Good luck to him..
     
  6. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Remember when we used to argue about whether DPs made a difference? Gil and Bou are game changers. Having two guys who can make an outrageous has fundamentally altered the DNA of this team. It's an element of constant danger the Revs haven't possessed since the Twellman-Dempsey-Ralston days.
     
  9. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we all agreed DPs would make the difference, but with Bengtson being a flop, many wanted further investment while the fear was the Krafts would get gunshy on spensing. Seeing the ROI on Gil and Bou so quickly is better than anyone probably anticipated. If Bou is on that 2014 revs team we win the Cup.
     
  10. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dunno if Bengston really should count as a "DP" although he technically was. The guy was making $182,000, which is certainly more than I make, but in the grand scheme of what DPs at the time were making, I wouldn't really categorize him as that.Of course, they paid their first DP 18 grand, but who's counting.

    The thing is, Bengston was exactly the kind of guy the Revs should have been targeting. He was 27-28, no history of serious injuries, was a regular for a pretty good CONCACAF team, played on a good club side (Olympia, IIRC) and had scored a pretty good amount of goals. And the salary range was where the Revs were willing to spend.

    It is really a shame that he didn't work out. He really should have, given the above, but that happens a fair amount of time, and with waaaay more expensive players. The beef I have was with the one-dimensional thinking that, since he didn't work out, it scared them away from signing another guy with a similar background. He had literally all of the right characteristics the Revs would want in a signing from outside the league. They should have signed another, but instead, they shied away from any reasonable attempt at drastically improving the team.
     
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  11. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But the sad truth then was, the Kraft's didn't really care about improving the team as long as the same amount of casual fan butts were in the seats every home game. Since -for awhile- the attendance didn't really appear linked to results, he chose to hold on to his money. It was only when things got so bad this past May, and the team and fan base faced total collapse that they got off their butts and cleaned house.
     
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  12. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, we had to go through our own "Christmas Eve 1989 at the Ceausescu house" moment with Friedel and Burns totally destroying things down to rubble before they were willing to make such a drastic move like bringing in Arena to right the ship. No way this would have happened if Jay Heaps was still here and we were playing just well enough to be competitive and be "unlucky" to lose and miss the playoffs on the last weekend of the season.
     
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  13. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These posts are a little frightening. I’m hoping they are going to let Arena build a truly good team (without ballooning all the way out to spending LAFC, Toronto, LAG money). Please, please, please, don’t make the playoffs if we are going to consider the current roster “good enough.”
     
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  14. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there are a couple of ways to build a good MLS team. You can spend like Toronto or LA Galaxy, etc. or you can take more of a "moneyball" approach, where you play it smart and find good "value" signings.

    Over the years, the Revs have attempted to do the latter, but you have to work smarter and develop contacts and a scouting network around the world to make that happen. Y'really think that was going to work with Mike Burns in charge? The guy would have trouble thinking his way out of a paper bag and was clearly so far over his head in this job it wasn't funny.

    With Arena, I at least have the confidence in his judgment that he knows how to identify players who would be a good fit here, and has enough cache to actually have good players want to play for him. Bou wouldn't be here without Arena. He also has enough influence with the Krafts to get them to spend at a reasonable level. Not at the top of the league, but at least in the top half. And I'm OK with that.
     
  15. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Break down by teams and how what they pay per position. Red indicates top 4 in their conferences, Green would be a playoff team if the season ended today
    ................................FWDS.....MIDS.........Def.............GK
    1 Toronto FC $6,889,216 $11,563,591 $2,080,625 $497,254 $21,244,519
    2 LA Galaxy $7,575,000 $6,163,038 $3,611,043 $375,000 $17,724,081
    3 Chicago Fire $2,586,583 $10,774,557 $2,047,933 $664,632 $16,073,705
    4 Los Angeles FC $8,708,208 $2,478,311 $1,831,958 $182,565 $13,338,959
    5 Sporting Kansas City $1,794,925 $7,524,662 $2,348,998 $411,925 $12,080,510
    6 Seattle Sounders FC $3,012,933 $5,386,088 $3,247,945 $337,500 $12,054,716
    7 Atlanta United FC $4,733,337 $4,081,250 $1,574,012 $910,262 $11,485,111
    8 Montreal Impact $1,466,000 $6,365,195 $2,196,528 $392,857 $11,470,278
    9 Portland Timbers $641,500 $6,290,058 $3,056,300 $417,500 $11,105,358
    10 Orlando City $4,098,958 $3,340,167 $3,077,414 $168,250 $10,684,789
    11 D.C. United $3,654,118 $2,784,550 $1,949,250 $561,078 $10,414,746
    12 Columbus Crew $4,765,896 $2,670,139 $2,353,271 $260,000 $10,049,306
    13 Real Salt Lake $2,073,700 $5,319,173 $1,963,883 $423,363 $9,940,119
    14 New York City FC $1,665,500 $4,655,639 $2,720,900 $500,000 $9,542,039
    15 FC Cincinnati $2,876,675 $4,292,225 $1,647,571 $328,438 $9,488,759
    16 Philadelphia Union $1,198,887 $5,061,545 $1,356,325 $842,429 $8,459,186
    17 Minnesota United FC $2,417,188 $3,715,834 $1,303,789 $785,875 $8,222,686
    18 New England Revolution $4,539,125 $883,000 $2,066,160 $269,711 $8,182,996
    19 San Jose Earthquakes $2,349,667 $3,236,542 $2,018,780 $516,667 $8,121,656
    20 Colorado Rapids $1,103,750 $1,832,712 $2,486,046 $2,613,707 $8,036,215
    21 Houston Dynamo $3,447,304 $1,607,437 $2,215,008 $172,833 $7,602,582
    22 New York Red Bulls $1,686,250 $3,304,471 $1,537,704 $627,000 $7,486,025
    23 FC Dallas $1,421,900 $3,487,980 $2,127,189 $429,875 $7,466,944
    24 Vancouver Whitecaps FC $1,240,727 $1,660,640 $1,955,795 $350,333 $5,807,495

    Of the top 20 highest payrolls in the league 12 make the playoffs today if the season ended 8 do not. To me that means its not how much you spend its how you spend it and who you spend it on. You can also throw in coaching as is the case in New England. I am convinced that Bou would not be here if Brad was in charge and even if he did come the Revs would still be cellar dwellers.
     
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  16. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    I heard a discussion about the Cowboys and Ezekial Elliot's new extension, vs. the Patriot's approach. Giving huge contracts for a few elite stars means that a team (in a salary capped league) doesn't have much of a 'middle-class', which translates to [quality] depth.

    The biggest key to the Pats success (although there are many) IMO is their cap approach - the roster from the 5th best-ranked player on the team to the 35th is pretty likely the leagues best, by a wide margin.

    I think Arena's task in the offseason is to strengthen the Revs' middle class. Too many of the players in that category are under-performing and that's where the backbone and depth of the team need to be. Agudelo, Penilla, Caldwell, Fagundez, Castillo - we're not getting enough out of those guys. They're not all expensive (thus don't necessarily need to be replaced), but we need solid contributors at all three lines to provide starting quality and depth on a consistent basis.
     
  17. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
    Club:
    Stade Brestois 29
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Add Bunbury and Mancienne to the list. And I get that Bunbury is somewhat key on the current roster. One either agrees or doesn’t agree that THAT is the problem. Given his streakiness, he should be the depth not the starter.

    My hope is that Arena address a few starting spots with improvements AND significantly beefs up the depth (middle class?), all without breaking the bank.
     
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  18. tsb11

    tsb11 Member

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    These numbers are from sportrac.com if anyone wants to look at them a bit more. Its worth noting that they reflect the publicly available salary data published by the PA in may, and do not reflect any roster changes since then/long term obligations. For example Bou currently is counted as having 0 salary by this chart. Heck LA doesnt even have Pavon listed on its roster.

    Its a nice shorthand chart, but I wouldnt take anything it presents too seriously

    Oh and i'd also toss Zahibo onto the "underperforming" pile
     
  19. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    The shocking bit in there for the Revs is their midfield - we pay the least in the league (Gil must either not be included, or considered a FWD). At first glance, it looks like we spend about half as much as the 2nd lowest team for our midfield!

    And, we're getting off very cheap with goalkeeping, because Turner is so cheap - at least until his extension kicks in, but even then ...

    Our defense is expensive - the Mancienne factor. I'd have to think that if his contract isn't guaranteed, he won't be back next year.

    But, the big takeaway for me, is that there's plenty of room to invest in the midfield.
     
  20. tsb11

    tsb11 Member

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    He is being counted as a forward
     
  21. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trialists must be for next year, as the roster freeze was Aug 30th.

    How can they be thinking of next year before January? Oh, right, Burns is gone now.
     
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  23. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
  24. BERich

    BERich Member

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is where I think the Revs need to concentrate this off season. I think the defense is ok; with a good goalie. I like the kids, Jones and Bye. What we need is a JJ or Shalrie controlling the midfield. Match that with Gil and the Revs would have a solid base to move forward.
     
  25. tsb11

    tsb11 Member

    United States
    May 31, 2018
    I think the defense has 0 great players. I like all 5 guys (Caicedo, Bye, Jones, Delamea, and Farrell) but they really need one of them to be a game changer.

    Conversely, the weakest spot on the field is still the #8. I dont think any of Diego, Agudelo, or Zahibo are good enough. But the way teams play against the Revs they'll continue to ship goals (or rely on Turner bailing them out 5 times a game) until the defense is upgraded.
     

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