Revenge of the Nerds: LFC Stat Thread

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  1. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
  2. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Statsbomb is releasing all their World Cup data.

    This pass graph is interesting. Would be curious to see one for LFC.

     
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  4. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I read it right - it shows that Pogba was very proactive - which we all knew. Amazing how shit he is for United. long may it continue.
     
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  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    I dunno Terp. That graph looks like he passed forward 3 times in 90 minutes. Reckless!!!
     
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  6. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

    Sep 20, 2013
    NorCal
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Scouse - I think you are reading that graph upside down...the majority of Pogba’s passes were toward Giroud - at the top of the graph...:rolleyes:o_O
     
  7. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Am I to take it for your pictorial that Liverpool’s expected goal return per match lies between 0.9 and 3.4?
     
  9. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. LFC had 3.4 and Spurs 0.9.
     
  10. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Squares are shots which are sized based on xG for the shot. Pink are the goals.
     
  11. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words - we bossed them and had way way way better chances.
     
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  12. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that seems pretty good.

    Love this thread btw.
     
  13. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    when evaluating if a team has improved vs last season, many ppl look at points total after the same number of games, which is pretty simplistic.

    I prefer to compare results in the exact same fixtures. downside is you have to ignore the promoted teams - but that aside, it does show how your team really is doing compared to the opposition.

    based on this method, we are +3 points off so far - beating Spuds vs getting wiped out by them.

    here's the bbc's analysis (done both methods) for all Prem teams. the chart at the end is interesting. despite our perfect start, it shows us as 5th-best in the Prem. Chelsea +9, Watford +9, Arsenal +5, Wolves +4.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45619199
     
  14. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like this method as well, but the short coming is that if you win a game in the corresponding fixture the season before, there isn't room for improvement.
     
  15. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We literally killed the game in the second half against Southampton.

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  16. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That first half formation was wild compared to what we typically do.

     
  17. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    #17 SamScouse, Sep 24, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2018
    true but I don't get your point. we can't expect to improve over a win ..... ? this analysis shows if we are succeeding against teams who caused a problem last year - or vice-versa.
     
  18. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    against better opposition we could have been beaten to a pulp.
     
  19. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was looking at the "table" of who had improved the most so far and Chelsea sits at the top mostly because they were so bad in those games last year and had a ton of room for improvement. LFC and City had little room to improve over last season so are further down the table.

    As I said, I like looking at this, but I should have clarified that the small sample size really hampers its usefulness. Also putting the teams in a table also has limited benefit, at least as when it comes to those teams at the top where improvement/decline is more incremental.

    All that really matters is that we are +25 on City. Right now we are +3. Considering its pretty likely we never drop points again, the point might be moot, but its possible that at some stage we will need City to start heading into a negative direction.

    As far as other teams are concerned, this would give Huddersfield reason to have some belief, but ManU and Newcastle might be in a spot of bother.
     
  20. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    after today's draw with Chelsea ...

    we are +4 points compared to same fixtures last season.
     
  21. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
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    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    EPL sprint stats from last round (our game vs Chelsea)

    And look who was last:

    Team No of sprints
    Liverpool 154
    Huddersfield 125
    Arsenal 122
    Chelsea 119
    Everton 109
    Newcastle 106
    Manchester City 106
    Watford 106
    Cardiff 96
    Brighton 93
    Tottenham 93
    Southampton 92
    Leicester 91
    Fulham 86
    Burnley 84
    West Ham 81
    Wolves 75
    Manchester United 59

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...nchester-United-sprint-stats-vs-West-Ham.html
     
  22. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  23. dcc134

    dcc134 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    May 15, 2000
    Hummelstown, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    D05D2F93-D879-4707-ABBB-948576E8A9ED.png I like the 538 prediction tables but you do have to question any methodology that makes City favorites to win the CL at this stage.
     
  24. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
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    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
  25. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Why? They were the best team in Europe last season, and this season you would expect them to put an extra emphasis on the Champions League having already won the league.
     

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