Remember the Rooney-Giggs trick corner?

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MarinFCsoccer, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. MarinFCsoccer

    MarinFCsoccer Member

    May 16, 2008
    Novato
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you have any recommendations on dealing with it? It's come up three times this weekend.



    I thought this had died out: apparently not.
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never had it happen to me, but I do have the habit of watching the ball closely on the non-AR corners. If/when a team tries to pull it off, I'll be ready (for at least 2 of the 4 corner arcs).
     
  3. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    If in your opinion the kick was taken, it was taken. If not, it wasn't. The Law change las year to "clearly moved" was designed to stop the uncertainty and makes it easier for the ref to say it wasn't taken.

    (Does anyone think Rooney would have agreed the kick had been taken if an opponent ran in and took the ball?)
     
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  4. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    #4 Sport Billy, Nov 13, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2017
    This^^^^^
    The added language made this an easy call.
    Your parenthetical demonstrates why this "trick" was always such bullshit. Players wanted to be tricky, but only in cases where it worked out for them. If it didn't, they'd scream to the ref to bail them out.
     
  5. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. Has anyone noticed some referees now wanting this to be a caution as well? I talk to some people that now say if the teams do this play it’s also a caution. :confused:

    I think that’s nonsense as the punishment is likely either the defense coming in to challenge or more likely a double touch when the second player dribbles away.
     
  6. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    I think the argument for a caution is if there is an attempt to confuse the defense by saying "Leave it, I'll take the kick", or something like that. I've never been sold on it.

    I did a high school girls playoff game where a team did the play successfully, although it really played out more like a short corner. The opposing coach was mad at his team for not marking the second player that came in. I got the feeling he was aware that the team used that ploy or just used short corners.

    I will guarantee that I watched every subsequent corner very closely to make sure they didn't double touch any corners where they weren't using the strategy.
     
  7. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Code1390 brings up a great point. If nothing else, it reminds us to watch corners closely. What do the players do? Does the first player touch it twice? How do you determine which kick put it in play? Did the second player make the mistake of touching it with his hand and then trying it? Obviously either handling or double touch.

    I've heard of AR's being more involved in these moments, too, telling the second player "not in play", etc. Definitely not necessary, but not a terrible idea.
     
  8. tomek75

    tomek75 Member+

    Aug 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had players tell me that this is their intention when I was AR. It's smart on their part to alert the official, that way there is no mistake that this is the intended play.
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The alert is nice, but if a smart defender goes after the ball, I'm not bailing you out.
     
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  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I'm frankly not interested in what they might want to tell me. The addition of "clearly" to Law 17 was precisely intended to make sure it was clear when the ball is in play. I'm going to look at the objective behaviors, not rely on their subjective intent and desire to hide from the other team whether the ball is in play.
     
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  11. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    It took me a while to learn not to allow myself to get distracted by the drop zone and turn my attention entirely away from the corner kick when there's another attacker anywhere in the vicinity of the corner.
     
  12. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the hardest part about this shenanigans, though. Because the fact that we have to worry about being distracted by where our attention should absolutely be puts a wrench in things. Tough priorities.
     
  13. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    I had a coach alert me to this new trick play they'd come up with. I stopped him midway through and said I'd seen it, if they did it correctly, it's fine. He seemed a little deflated that his team wasn't the first to use it.
     
  14. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Should we revisit the question of the player vs. the coach yelling "Billy you take it?"
     

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