Recruiting Rules- Changing Again

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Eddie K, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Apparently, effective May 1st - in about 2 weeks:
    Outgoing AND Incoming calls will not be allowed before June 15th at the end of the prospects Sophomore Year. Visits will now be allowed Aug 1st, about 6 weeks later. So, NO recruiting contact allowed at all for anyone before June 15th at the end of the Soph year.
    Seems like 2 things then are about to happen -
    Many well-known 21s and 22s are going to be scrambling to get calls in to coaches the next couple weeks to confirm if they are getting an offer at their top choice schools. But then on June 15th, D1 coaches can now reach out to 2021s en mass that they thought they were waiting until Sept 1 to really be contacting.

    I agree with the intent of these changes, but the implementation seems sloppy and mistakes are still going to be made by kids and coaches. On May 1st, No more "appointment phone calls" by anyone in 9th/10th grade (which is a good change I think). But also coaches are about to be told you can now contact and offer 2021s this June 15th when they expected to have the entire summer to still evaluate some of these kids. No one is forcing them to make or accept offers but it WILL BE a scramble for 2021s this summer.
    Thoughts?
    http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-council-adopts-rules-curb-early-recruiting
     
  2. PoetryInMotion

    COYS
    Feb 7, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Coaches can and will still use club coaches to early recruit. I wish it would change but I highly doubt this will curb early recruiting in any way. Until the NCAA comes down on coaches early recruiting under these new rules, nothing will change.
     
  3. Germans4Allies4

    Jan 9, 2010
    Third party involvement is included in the new legislation so club coaches and DOCs as "agents" should be done. Should be. But club coaches don't care about NCAA rules and either do a lot of college coaches.
     
  4. PoetryInMotion

    COYS
    Feb 7, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    My point exactly. Unfortunately if one coaching staff is doing it, others will follow. I just don’t see any signs that my colleagues on the women’s side will be stopping these practices anytime soon.
     
  5. ntxsage

    ntxsage Member

    Apr 25, 2012
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I think the new rules close some of the obvious loopholes and should make a positive difference. Competition between branded youth clubs is cut throat. It won't be easy to skirt these rules w/o cross town competitors finding out. Given what I've seen of how some DA rules get enforced, clubs are just as likely to report competitors as they are to join the fray.
     
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  6. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    It would also put college coaches in a vulnerable position if they cheat using club coaches. Club coaches could squeal on them at anytime down the road. Are college coaches willing to put themselves in that vulnerable position? And, how ridiculous for any family to commit before ever talking to a coach. That is what would have to happen.
     
  7. OGSoccerCoach

    OGSoccerCoach Member

    May 11, 2017
    The changes are a step in the right direction. 2021s won’t be effected much as it’s just 6 weeks to talk to colleges. 2022s and younger will hopefully see the benefits of slowing down - less transfers, etc.

    A bit off topic, but when is US soccer going to actually enforce their “no high school soccer” rules? I know of multiple clubs that have full-time, non-scholarshipped private school players that play high school soccer and US soccer has turned a blind eye to them. One club has almost half the roster of one age group that plays HS soccer, including ones that joined the club after the waiver submission period.
     
  8. Fish On

    Fish On Member

    Oct 22, 2016
    Club:
    AC Mantova
    Change the letter of intent and early recruiting ends. NLI is like so 1950's. It' like using a red and white bobber..

    If a 5th, 6th or 7th grader "commits" to a school, they sign right then and there. Coaches love the "verbal commit", but if it can become official (signed NLI, which isn't even one of the million NCAA forms) they will back off.
     
  9. L'orange

    L'orange Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Are these changes for all spring sports?
     
  10. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Some sports are different. Softball and Wlax had already adopted tougher restrictions for example and stuck with Sept 1 date. I found this chart from ASU. Confusing but helpful.

     
  11. dyzio03

    dyzio03 New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 17, 2018
    This is great and wish it had happened earlier. Verbal offers are also not allowed until after June 15 of the Sophomore year. Yes, this is causing a scramble for the current crop of recruits but will be a blessing for the future ones. Very few 8th graders are mature enough to know what college they want to go to.
     
  12. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    Very few? God help the kids in 7th and 8th grade “know” where they want to go to college. And shame on the parents for allowing it to get that far.
     
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  13. L'orange

    L'orange Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    The school year is over by June 15, so does this mean the June 15 before the sophomore year begins?
     
  14. ytrs

    ytrs Member

    Jan 24, 2018
    June 15th AFTER the sophomore year.
     
  15. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    #15 Eddie K, Apr 30, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2019
    The Class of 2021 will be open to being contacted in 6 weeks by everyone on June 15th - but they can only make calls to colleges through tomorrow night until then. The Class of 2022 and beyond will not be able to make or receive calls and contacts by any D1 coaches (starting Thurs) until June 15th after their Soph year. (unless they change the rules again!) This will empower the club coaches somewhat again as they 'liaison' between D1 coaches and kids/families before June 15th.

    Saw this tweet and thought it was funny. Could be "what a P5 coach looks like watching the Champions League games this week"

     
  16. 6peternorth9

    6peternorth9 Member

    Nov 15, 2012
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    It will not empower the club coaches. College coaches are not allowed to reach out to club coaches to relay a message to any PSAs
     
  17. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Where do you see that in the new rules??
    Some of these college coaches ARE the club coaches or on club staff with other teams and many have relationships. NT staff, odp, and camps are all other ways coaches interact with kids and club coaches.
    It specifically says verbal offers are "not legislated" but it is hard to offer or accept an offer when you can't even talk to each other directly. I think lots of the P5 will be using their "network" to make sure players are expecting that offer on June 15th. BUT the rules do kind of equalize the playing field across D1 and you would expect many more elite players will have more offers to consider at about the same time so it will empower the players/families with more options. I wonder how many college coaches will actually become more interested in coaching U14,15,16 club teams in their area?? I bet lots of club DOC's are getting calls too!
     
  18. L'orange

    L'orange Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I think the new June 15/Soph year contact rule is too stringent. They've overreacted and now coaches are supposed to wait until a player is practically a junior. I see no reason why contact couldn't be made starting, say, Jan. 1 of a player's sophomore year. With the new rule certain players will be inundated with calls on June 15.
     
  19. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure I agree with this. Having spent a whole lot of time around high school female athletes I coached and having talked to a lot of them about their college thinking, they don't really start thinking about which college they want to go to -- for education purposes as distinguished from sports purposes -- until well into their junior years. It seems to me that the June 15/Soph year contact rule is trying to allow the high school athletes to be closer to the same track as other high school students, rather than forcing them into an earlier process. To me, this seems good.
     
  20. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    I think the rule change is for the better! It was funny being at the DA event this week and seeing the mad scramble go on. Some coaches were on the phone all day trying to snag kids at the last second.

    Even over heard a coach tell a kid they just need to go ahead and commit and they will get their offer later when the school has a better idea on their money situation
     
  21. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    So this school plans to offer a player that committed elsewhere? Or a player committed to s school without getting an offer?
     
  22. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    The school was talking to a younger player and didn't know what they would have available scholarship wise. They told the player to go ahead and commit to them and in a few years (June 15 after players sophomore year) they would have a better idea how much money is available and then let the player know how much money they will get.
     
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  23. Lord Kril

    Lord Kril Member

    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Jul 3, 2018
    Why would anyone do this? I don’t think i have ever heard of a bigger sham. Did you fall out of your chair?
     
  24. Wildcatter

    Wildcatter Member

    Sep 9, 2018
    sadly I wasn't that surprised. Im more surprised anyone would still commit. . . (I have no idea if the kid committed or not)
     
  25. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    Man, I AM naive! Kids just commit on the spot??? What about the parents? Are they not involved and taking time to think things over and get knowledgeable advice?
     

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