Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

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  1. Belgian guy

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  3. sitruc

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    It's easy to record on a phone without being noticed or anyone thinking anything of it now. I'm guessing that's all she had to do.
     
  4. soccernutter

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    I am rather sensitive to privacy, and I notice it an incredible amount. In fact, people who are concerned about privacy are aware of it. The people who are not - such as a child rapist - are not concerned and would likely not notice it.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    Even though this could probably go elsewhere, this really does belong here:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/katie-hill-and-many-victims-revenge-porn/601198/

    The Humiliation of Katie Hill Offers a Warning
    Women have been degraded on the internet for a long time—but using nonconsensual pornography for partisan ends dramatizes the dangers anew.

    Warning, some of the links in The Atlantic article are NSFW

    In case you were unaware, Katie Hill had an affair with a staffer (or two) in the course of her divorce. The divorce was contentious, and at some point, pictures were leaked. Yes, those kinds of pictures.

    And here is the take:

    ...Yet all of this must be separated from the question of whether or not the photos of Hill should have been made public. That, at least, has a clear answer: no. The photographs fit into the category of what is colloquially called “revenge porn” and what experts call “nonconsensual pornography”: explicit images of a person that may or may not have been taken consensually, but that are released to the public without the victim’s approval.

    Yes, revenge porn. But as mentioned in the article, Hill says those photos were taken without permission. Some of them it seems weird if they were. But that doesn't excuse the unauthorized release of them. As the article states:

    Hill stated in her speech that the photos of her “were taken without my knowledge, let alone my consent.” She has blamed her husband, whom she is divorcing, for the photos’ release. If her allegations prove true, she will be far from alone: As the law professors Mary Anne Franks and Danielle Citron (a colleague of mine) write, the release of sensitive images or video against the will of the person depicted “is often a form of domestic violence.” The vast majority of victims of this practice are female (though not all: Former Texas Representative Joe Barton appears to have been a victim of the practice in 2017).
    Now any of use who are aware should be able to draw a typical line from the release of nude photos to domestic violence quite easily, even without Hill's claim. By no means it is 100% accurate, but it does fit the pattern of abuse and humiliation which an abuser performs.

    Yet, as with all kinds of sexual abuse, there are longer lasting effects:

    The effects of nonconsensual pornography can be devastating. Victims report severe anxiety and depression. Many lose their jobs. Some are afraid to even step outside. “Ever since those images first came out, I barely got out of bed,” Hill said in her final speech, going on, “Today is the first time I’ve left my apartment since the photos ... were released, and I’m scared.” Writing in Vox, the victims’-rights lawyers Carrie Goldberg and Annie Seifullah describe how their respective former partners used intimate photographs of them to try to destroy their careers. (Goldberg has since announced that her firm is representing Hill.) It’s for this reason—recognizing the harm that nonconsensual pornography represents—that the vast majority of states plus the District of Columbia have criminalized the practice in recent years.

    What has me wondering is not just about Hill, but the female staffer* with whom she has a sexual relationship. To me, that is also on a level of abuse, to out the staffer like that, a woman who's career is now likely threatened. But that is not just the fault of whom ever leaked the pictures (seems likely to be the ex-husband):

    Hill’s underlying conduct is indeed newsworthy, but as for the photos themselves, there is little call to publish something so personally damaging.

    IOW, RedState and The Daily Mail are equally at fault for partaking in this sexual violence.

    I have other thoughts on this, how it can be positively spun by the Dems, but Hill has suffered enough and need not have added attention given to her.

    * - I am up in the air about mentioning the female staffer's name. One on hand, I want give name to a victim rather than just saying "female staffer." On the other hand, I don't want to publicize her any more than she has already been, almost certainly without consent.
     
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  6. xtomx

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    Thanks, @soccernutter, I wanted to move @dapip post but was not sure where to move it. I guess this works.

    I sort of feel sorry for Ms. Hill.
    She had an affair, she put that person on he staff.
    That was a stupid move, likely illegal, and subject to sanctions. It was just LAST YEAR that Congress passed a rule against having relationships with subordinates.
    She is then just destroyed with nude pictures published by soon-to-be ex-husband (he claims his "phone was hacked").
    That is just disgusting.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-31/katie-hill-husband-revenge-porn-republicans
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/katie-hill-kenny-heslep-parents-hack-story

    I decided to go down the rabbit hole and actually read a couple of the many Red State articles about Ms. Hill. I will not post links, as I will not give those bastards any free additional free publicity.

    They have texts, as well as photos.

    If the ex-husband's phone was "hacked," how did he obtain nude pictures of Ms. Hill on his phone? Why did he still have those photos on his phone?
     
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  7. Dr. Wankler

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    I think that was part of the "throuple" thing, which was pretty much the point I stopped reading.
     
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  8. xtomx

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    That was what I thought at first, but he then mentions her "opening up" the relationship, so I was a bit confused.

    The "opening up" might have been that he alleges she slept with another man.

    I, too, stopped reading.
     
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  9. JohnR

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    A Yahoo! story informed me of Tennessee sex trafficking. I opened the article, because the words are frequently used in the U.S. but the proven incidences are fewer. The "sex trafficking" consisted of an undercover agent pretending to be a 16 year old soliciting sex, and then arresting potential customers. Tennessee LE called that crime sex trafficking.

    That is not sex trafficking. Stop lying to me on the grounds that is the cause is just the truth doesn't matter. Yeah, it does matter.
     
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  10. Auriaprottu

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    I don't get the sex trafficking charge myself. I always thought that involved abducting someone and then pimping them out.

    But does it not qualify as something illegal? It seems like the same thing as a standard prostitution sting, except in this case, it's done over the phone/www and the target is "customers" who prey on children.
     
  11. russ

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    There is the mythical midnight kidnapping of the virginal white honor student sold to evil Middle Eastern/Eastern European types who can only be rescued by the SEALS or Mel Gibson.

    Then we have people of all ages and races identifying girls of all races who are both attractive enough to be profitable and desperate enough to be molded into whatever type of companion the market will bear.

    One ia scary but not real.
    The other ,just as scary and all too real.
    Right Mr. Epst-oh never mind.
     
  12. ToMhIlL

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    Wasn't that Liam Neeson? Not that it matters....
     
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  13. russ

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    Got Ransom and Taken confused - oops.
     
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  14. ToMhIlL

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    Maybe you're thinking of "Taken 4 Ransom IV"?
     
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  15. soccernutter

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    As far as I always understood, sex trafficking mean moving somebody across stateliness or selling the sex worker from one pimp to another.
     
  16. Auriaprottu

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    Exactly. But my question remains. What happened HAS to be against the law some kinda way. What law is it in violation of?
     
  17. russ

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    It's usually considered solicitation,and in the case of a person attempting to solicit a supposed 16 year old,there are further charges.
     
  18. Dr. Wankler

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    https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking

    D.H.S. characterizes "trafficking" as follows:

    Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. Every year, millions of men, women, and children are trafficked worldwide – including right here in the United States. It can happen in any community and victims can be any age, race, gender, or nationality. Traffickers might use violence, manipulation, or false promises of well-paying jobs or romantic relationships to lure victims into trafficking situations....

    ...Traffickers use force, fraud, or coercion to lure their victims and force them into labor or commercial sexual exploitation. They look for people who are susceptible for a variety of reasons, including psychological or emotional vulnerability, economic hardship, lack of a social safety net, natural disasters, or political instability. The trauma caused by the traffickers can be so great that many may not identify themselves as victims or ask for help, even in highly public settings.


    So @JohnR is correct. The Yahoo article is carelessly written.
     
  19. Dr. Wankler

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    Not necessarily. I'll explain how I know this later, when I'm typing with two hands on a keyboard and not one finger on a screen
     
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  20. fatbastard

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    "human trafficking" has gone all wonky lately in its definition, especially the definitions law enforcement and some governments are using - most actual sex workers claim this is just a way to crack down on the workers themselves (or at least those who self-employ) - and has nothing to do with concern for any actual trafficking in human beings.
    Statistically sex workers are most in danger from the police, big surprise.
     
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  21. ToMhIlL

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    "Human Trafficking" can be things like coyotes who rip people off by promising to get them across the border into the US. Often these are dangerous situations and desperate people are taken advantage of, but it doesn't have anything to do with sex or sexual exploitation. It's just a con.
     
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  22. JohnR

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    Wait now. Pimps traffic, customers solicit. That is the English language.
     
  23. fatbastard

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    Like the English language and legal language are related to each other ... ;)
     
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  24. JohnR

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    I read the legal definition. If I ask a minor for sex I have trafficked him, although I don't know him, haven't moved him, haven't pimped him, haven't touched him, and he is such a virgin that he has never been kissed.

    In fact, if I ask a 25 year old for sex but I think she is 16, then I have trafficked her too.

    So I am dead wrong, it seems. Damn lawyers.
     
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  25. song219

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    I'm amazed that you all are amazed. The next thing you'll be posting about is discovering that wire fraud often has nothing to do with telegraph machines.
     
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