Que error cuando se confunde ser fuerte y veloz......con calidad......al mejor estilo de la filosofia pinto/lara....... Por eso estamos condenados a promover puros carrolocos..........poco se valora la visión de juego y nivel de asociación de jugadores.... Y si vamos a juzgar por renfimiento actual de esta temporada.....borre esta por encima de roger, muriel y duvan (lo cual no es dificil especialmente con la mediocridad de carreras de muriel y zapata) es viable jugar con ezquema de dos delanteros que encajaria muy bien como lo hace con pratoo y a mi modo de ver borre por asociciación de juego si puede jugar de unico delantero....me parece chistoso que falcao tambien tuvo mucho de esas crriticas por no ser un carroloco “atletico“
Bacca para mi jugo muy bien en los ultimos dos partidos...supo asociarse muy bien. Ya por recambio me parece que debe probarse mas opciones.....
He still hasn't solidified himself or played a full season in the last 3 years, and although he is an intelligent player he has to offer more to be in the mix for the national team at this point. He's just not an easy player to fit into a lot of formations or roles because of his attributes. He can turn into a great player, and we are yet to see who the new coach is or what his system is but its hard to imagine Borre beating out Cucho or the guys already in the mix for the NT as it stands, but that could change and he could develop and put it together, hopefully he does.
Agree 100% with your philosophy about 'carro locos' vs quality, JFQ being the perfect example. But The NT is the creme de la creme and JFQ has played two WCs and was a starter for DIM. I just want to see Borre win the starting spot 1st., consistently. I only say this because 1) he can do it and 2) he can do it. Players in front him on the pecking order @ RP aren't killing it either so he has a solid chance but he has not been consistent enough to warrant a call to the NT. Dont take it solely from me. Go to the RP forums and you'll get a taste of what fans see in him vs JFQ. To be fair, I would say the same right now about Muriel. Both players I really like, but players that are not exactly indispensable. I would mimic my sentiment for Borre the way Pelusso describes Benedetti: https://www.futbolred.com/futbol-co...gerardo-pelusso-sobre-nicolas-benedetti-87983 “Él, como inteligente que es, está en la búsqueda de ese jugador completo que pueda llegar a ser Nicolás Benedetti, hasta ahora en el camino que está, con correr, ir y venir hasta la mitad de la cancha, para que otros corran y le den al pelota a él, con eso le alcanza, pero no es todo, porque él tiene muchísimo para dar, está en ese proceso, cosa que me alegra muchísimo, es un grandísimo profesional y ha entendido que algo le está faltando, por algo pasó un periodo de pases y no vino nadie a buscarlo, hay que decir las cosas cómo son; pero ahora las cosas están cambiando, me parece que Nicolás hoy es un jugador mucho más maduro”, finalizó el uruguayo.
ehhhh Que monton de comparaciones entre jugadores de diferentes caracteristicas, posiciones, conductas, carreras, edades........con todo el respeto no da lugar mezclar tantos nombres. 1. Quintero es dos años mayor que Borré, tuvó 5 años de experiencia en europa....Quintero es mediocampista y muy pocos jugadores en el mundo tienen su talento... 2. Borre es delantero, su linea de crecimiento es normal para un jugador de su edad.....que actualmente compite púesto con jugadores experimentado ex seleccion argentina como pratto y scocco, y aun asi tiene mejor promedio de gol.........que todos ellos 3. Desde marzo su rendimiento y especial al inicio de esta temporada su rendimiento ha sido muy constante.......especial los de elimianción directa 4. Mi opinion es lo que veo cada semana en los partidos de river plate......no lo que diga un argentinito pasional en foros.....la verdad es absurdo comparar a quintero con borrepor posición, profesionalismo, carcateristicas, cualidades es como comparar a griezzman con kante. 5. Lo de carrolocos vs quality......va mas que todo por el amor que aqui le tienen a muriel, zapata, charas por ser fuertes y veloces a pesar de poco cerables...........sobre jugadores como falcao, teo que a pesar de no tener esas cualidades tan imponentes del carroloco colombiano...............tienen inteligencia, posicionamiento, juego de asociación y lectura de partidos.............................el que no pueda ver calidad en juan fernando quintero es por que no tiene ojos, el ejemplo no es para el, 6. y matar un jugador tan joven que nunca ha mostrado indisciplina o mala actitud.......ya raya en lo mala leche...............como cite en el post en este mismo thread, Bacca y Jackson a esa edad nunca habian marcado mas de 8 goles en primera división en un año. 7. Roger, Zapata y Muriel han recibido llamados por peor rendimiento que Borré. Negarle hoy en dia un llamado a borre en selección con su alto rendimiento de inicio de temporada a Borré raya en lo absurdo. 8. Aca tambien decia que falcao era peor que edixon pera y rodallega....por no ser carroloco.
One thing at a time. Let me start by saying nothing you nor I decide on this forum will have ANY influx on what Borre will or will not do. If you reread my post I state that he's a player I like that has good attributes. But he has also struggled. You can't deny that. I havent watched every Borre match @ RP but I have watched some where I havent found him so impressive that I say "wow, he deserves a call-up." It's exactly the same criticism you have many times called out on many BS posters who always talk about how 'the new best guy' should be called up. Notice I'm not saying he hasnt improved or that I dont understand that he brings a lot of quality to the game that maybe even help make his partner striker the man of the match. But you can't just simply go on stats. Promedio de gol has to be with context. Chicarito has some of the best numbers in all of Europe given his numbers/minutes but guess what, he can't even find a sub role at the moment at West Ham. This isnt new, he's had the same issue at almost every club. It can't just be 'the coach". I dont want carro locos but I do want Borre to have at least 1 more year in his belt where he has won the spot. Why is this bad? Yes, he's fighting against 'ex-seleccion' guys like Pratto but so what? Pratto is no where close to the Argentine Nt at the moment so why the comparison. You compare Zapata Muriel and Roger as having worst 'form' than Borre ? You can make a case that they are all inconsistent and maybe, maybe at the same level but to say that they are somehow in worse form given what - 3 months, 6 months, a year, be specific ...because there's no way I would have chosen Borre over Zapata (had he been available)or Muriel for the WC. Give him a chance? Sure, if that's your argument, it wouldnt make me upset but I dont think that he's going to make any more of a difference.
Santos Borre reminds me of TeoDios or Benzema. Pure class on the ball, he just needs to score more often.
1. "struggled" because in a season in europe he scored 5 goals ....at his 20....pfff ......you are forgeting that for young players the requirements of beign considered arent the same for old mediocre big players like muriel and zapata......i deny that he have struggled...isnt so "obvious" just because he didnt stay in spain...he only rest a year there...and he gone after river made a very good offer to atletico keeping a 50%.... 2. Are you serious? you are comparing a guy of 30 years like chicharito with a guy that started his career in 2015.....who have said that borres problems have been the coaches.... 3. i only asked a called up for firendly and that is well deserved based in his last months...yeah be good in river plate and boca juniors have a value that not in fpc teams have...isnt a secret. 4.you are killing a guy of 23 years...asking the same requirements of guys of 27 like muriel and zapata...hilariious 5. Nobody asked borre for the wc....you are just making a show and judging a guy of 23 years as he have nl future.....in the best hater way 6. Do you think that really villa, diaz, campuzano have had more merits than him for last called up?? even cucho hernandez? ....do you think that they made a big difference because were called up in last friendlies??.......since when new players have to make an inmediatly impact to validated his called ups. 7. Because a u-23 player couldnt be scorer in his first season in europe doesnt make he have "struggled" a lot 8. Miguel Borja the best south american llayer in 2016 and nt colombian forward....before in europe he "failed" in europe, in argentina, in santa fe until 2016...... Is comical how people give requirements to young players as they are mature and big players
Borre misses a wide open header at the far post that would have won the game for River in extra time, should have gotten it on frame at least and forced the goalie to make a save.
should have burried that. He needs to work on his finishing but he was very active.... Freaking Armani is a beast!
Yeah long game and it was at the death so he was no doubt tired but his technique was poor, have to get that back across goal and even if the goalie makes a save that's quite often a juicy rebound.
And it is plays like that he must get better at if he wants to be called up consistently for the Seleccion. But as Pepino mentions he is still relatively young.
He's still young and he's still figuring out his role/best position which is why I don't think there is a point to calling him up yet. We should be calling guys up that we are evaluating if they can contribute in the next 1-2 years and finding roles for them, Borre is probably 1-2 years away from putting it all together if he gets there. he's not even getting consistent minutes at River or in a position or role that we are short in for the NT.
Se han llamado jugadores por mucho menos........Borre esta destacandose recientemente en uno de los equipos mas importantes de latinoamerica y si esta jugando con REGULARIDAD. Los jugadores jovenes no se les piden los mismo requerimientos que a los de 28 para ser llamados..............y parece que a los mayores tampoco tanto por que los mediocres de muriel y zapata siguen siendo llamados. En este momento estamos viendo quienes son nuetsros delanteros para el futuro...y despues de falcao solo se ve con categoria a borja y eso que tienen sus rachas..............Borre es un jugador de Selecciones Colombia y que es de los jovenes delanteros que esta jugando en los escenarios mas importantes...........privar de acercarlo en este momento es absurdo. Cuantitativamente Hernandez no es que haya hecho mas...pero nadie ha dicho nada........o que decir de campuzano que debuto esta temporada en primera division o diaz el año pasado. Ahora para ser util en una posición hay que ser carroloco... agree with you... conceptual mistake in that play......he should took the ball with the forehead..
Anyone who thinks that Borre is a better prospect then Cucho Hernandez needs to get their head examined. The national team is not a reward for getting some minutes or deserving it because you earned it, its singular goal is to put out the best team possible, bringing in the guys who are on track to be apart of that because they have elite talents is not the same as rewarding a guy like Borre because he finally is getting some minutes, he's not showing he's close to the NT yet and isn't showing elite qualities to suggest he's got what it takes to be a top talent
You guys say this but then are Muriel needs more shots!!! It shouldn’t be Borre or Cucho. Why not both. Bacca has 14 goals in 50 games at 32 Muriel has 2 goals in 22 games his finishing is laughable at times Zapata has 0 goals in 5 games Both 27 US is using a U23 most aren’t even starters. Costa Rica isn’t even as good as our U20..... Give new dudes a shot
1. who think that cucho is better than borre? Someone need to learn to read better. the problem is the double rule and hypocrecy in this forum towards some players....is funny how some need super requirements and others doesnt. 2. At this moment Hernandez only have scored one goal (first one in first division) in america he coulnt be that good a year agio...and that isnt againt to cucho...but here people doesnt discuses him and shouldnt discusse him neither ....but his achievements arent like "oh indeeed we have to call him" 3. Borre is getting good qualifications in Argentina, his level is good despite he is scoring or not scoring. Looking our situation of forwards he can be close to NT level firendlies.........please muriel that is one of our principal guys inst getting minutes neither in bench in this moment. 4.. Antoher reading comprehension issue: who say that he is being called up for a reward? IMHO he is getting achieve to be called up...have qualities that not all forwards have..... 5 "their head examined" do you know something of respect? is so common that you always try to imposed your opinion with ad hominen arguments trying to insult others........mayvbe you were educated in that way. But i watch football a lot and im entitled to have opinions without beign attacked. 6. Is so ridiculous how this poster always , think he is entitled to say what players are usefuls and which players arent useful..........according to you muriel is better than falcao because he is fast..........Your monothematic mind it seems that isnt able to see other qualities of the players different to be fast and strong.....
Agree with you.......dont understand why borre should have better numbers than the mediocre of duvans and muriel to be called up.....but they are ok... People that have watched recently river matches is easy to recognize that the guy has a special IQ and kowledge of association in ateam that not all players have..........but now all have to be carrolocos like duvan or marco perez. His build ups of plays with just one pass is excelennt , exellent receiving "paredes and making "paredes"..... Exactly isnt against cucho......but why are double standards?? Both have been part of the youth national team and have been scouted since young
And by the way. I like Muriel. He has had some very dangerous matches vs chile and France for example. I like what he can offer. It's not all about goals. Same with Borre. They impact the game even if they dont score much. We have falcao to score
Dangerous but not producing isn’t good enough you need put it in the back of the net or help someone do that. Morelos also got into scoring positon a lot but what he did after Haha Borre can also be a good supporting striker. Funny Muriel and Bacca don’t need to score but create and everyone isnlike great keep calling them. Why not Borre. For Borre to come he needs to replace Falcao and have better numbers. Borre, Roger Martinez and Cucho are very interesting prospects. To me Muriel and Bacca have both has way too many shots time for new blood. Also funny that people say Zapata still has time to work on his finishing at 27 but Cucho at 20.... just has 1 goal in 4 games so he shouldn’t be called
I want both guys called up lol. Just saying that Muriel is a good player to have off the bench. I for one want players with different qualities called up. 2 9s: Falcao Borja 2nd strikers: Borre cucho Multi purpose game changer: muriel
Yeah but borre needs first of all score 40 goals in a season to get called up rememeber........anbd if he isnt carroloco and strong like laras guys so he cant be a choice.