Rafael Santos Borré - News & comments

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Tio Nicci, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The real question, will we be able to produce a group of youngsters that can take James, Falcao, and cuadrado mantles?

    Because at the moment we're making Good players, but not 50 million worthy players.

    Except Mina and Davis on who ironically are center backs
     
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  2. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Agree to disagree...

    Bold means stopped in Argentina. Look Colombian players biggest issue is lack of a EU pass

    Current NT
    GK - Ospina directly from Nacional to France. Was a starter almost instantly. Again proven player so jump a little easier
    DF
    Armero - stopped in brazil to Italy
    C. Zapata - Directly from U20 and Dept Cali to Udinese. Purchased because of the U20 tho
    Arias - directly to Europe from Colombia didn't adapt to Portugal but then went to Holland and started instantly
    D. Sanchez - Nacional to Europe. Star player wanted by big clubs already. Again maybe not fair because he seems like he can become world class
    MF
    C. Sanchez - Directly from Uruguay to Europe never played in Colombia
    MF
    Cuadrado - Directly to Europe from DIM. Took him a season to adapt
    Abel - Directly to europe after great youth cups took him a long time to adapt
    James - Argentina 1st but again WOlrd class not a great example
    D. Torres - Dim to Argentina
    FW
    Falcao - Arg 1st
    Bacca - Junor to Beligim
    Teo - Junior to Turkey. Failed because he has shit for brains. Went to argetnian where again did soething stupid TO mexico again fkd up.
    Muriel - directly to europe
    Borja - directly to Europe he failed, went to Argentina failed. Came back to Colombia finished developing now in BRazil by choice as europe teams wanted him
    Izquierdo - directly to europe and star of his team

    SO our argument based on the most recent call up. Fine to your point our best players did go to arge 1st but that was over 7 years ago. A lot has changed. 13 went directly to Europe and 2 stopped at Argentina. You always like to bring shit up so ok include your 4 current boca players up. Thats still 6 to 13
     
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  3. GavoCol

    GavoCol Member

    May 12, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Indeed Cassierra scored 11 goals in 17 matches played in Jong Ajax (2nd division) and a few goals in europa league and the endervise with the first squad
     
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  4. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Remember

    Juan toja
    Dayton Moreno
    Robinson zapata
    Rodallega
    Jherson vergara
    Edixon perea
    Elkin soto
    Jhon viafara
    JPA
    Fabian Vargas
    Ruben Dario bustos
    Michael Ortega
     
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  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Sin falcao y james tendríamos una nómina muy promedio ....ósea sin duda son los mejores jugadores de Colombia casi de la historia y pienso que Tiend mucho que ver. L. su desarrollo en Argentina


    Sánchez debería estar en el mismo grupo porque más que calidad futbolística , en Uruguay u Argentina se desarrolló táctica y físico . También otro jugador importantísimo en la selección

    El mejor teo lo vimos desde Argentina principalmente , sin duda haya entendió más el fútbol
     
  6. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Que un tipo que venía jugando de titular en libertadores , lo presten al equipo juvenil de un equipo es preocupante

    Hablas como si la liga holandesa fuera fuerte ...el tipo venía jugando libertadores y en liga PROFESIONAL colombiana


    El hecho que lo hayan mandado al Jong ajax ya habiendo tenido experiencia muestra lo poco que mostró en ajax en el EQUIPO A

    En la cuenta de Twitter mau a moon que el tipo sigue muchas emisoras de Europa de fútbol ... a mediados de marzo reportó que periodistas holandeses decían que "casierra no tenía calidad para el ajax "

    No vendamos por favor que el tipo tuvo buena temporada
     
  7. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Again dude that is so long ago.....

    You think the Argie league is the same as it was when Falcao was there 9 years ago?

    You love to go back and research stuff to sound super smart.

    Why don't you research all the guys who went to Argentina then Europe past 4 years. Or guys who went directly to Europe an failed. Anything older than that is just too far back.

    You are going back almost 10 years. Then say Yepes or Luis Perea, Angel or Ivan Córdoba our best Players but that was what 15 years ago!!!
     
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  8. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Nobody have said that Argentina league is the same . You lose the point you are so anxious to talk bs about Argentina that haven't understood


    Isn't a secret that the infraestructure of clubs there with a lot is your divisions in all. Just produced better players that Colombia

    The Argentina leagues isn't the same that used to be but still better than Colombia in tactic , physics .


    Falcao and James are recent examples . Duvan and Teo are good examples In how players can improve there

    The true is that our "stars " of the league are going to Europe and have been dropped to reserve teams recently . Just proved that our League isn't a big deal that isn't producing Prepared players to the elite


    just is logic : argentinos that are stars here werent nobody in Argentinan football .
     
  9. GavoCol

    GavoCol Member

    May 12, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Un tipo que llega con 18-19 años a euripa encuentras raro que lo manden a jugar a 2da division para adaptarse al equipo? No olvidemos qe es su primera temporada

    Si bien no destaco en el primer equipo, lo hizo bien en el segundo..esta vez no deberia tener excusas para no figurar mas en el ajax
     
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  10. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    A pesar de la edad ya se desempeñaba en los escenarios más competitivos del fútbol colombiano y el empezó a jugar en el equipo y de hecho en Europa leagues . Lo contrato el equipo a y lo descendieron por nivel . No fue lo contrario

    Por eso jugó en el ajax Jong ..considerando que la liga holandesa es bastante discreta ...si es un fracaso su temporada

    Tiene talento para demostrar lo contrario
     
  11. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    9 years ago is a recent example? We all had iPods 9 years ago!!! Shits along time ago.

    Argentina sells more because they are white and use the Bs EUro pass rule. Same as Uruguay and a lot of Brazilians. That makes them more attractive. When teams bought a Colombian they wanted a star player. That would make a instant impact. Like a Yepes, Angel, Córdoba, Luis Perea.

    Teams don't just get anyone to waste a Non EU spot. Porto did it with Falcao and that opened the flood gates. Before that Udienese was doing well taking shots on our U20 guys. Now our players are more of safe gambles that they can get cheap. That's why you see a ton of random dudes who none of have heard of going to Portugal.

    Also not trying to insult you. Just think you are using the data you want to use. And as for recent trophies. Santa Fe won the Sudamerica two years ago and Nacional won both the Sudamerica and Copa Lib last year. Didn't Boca get raped by the Ecuadorian team Nacional beat?
     
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  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    last ten years :

    Colombia : 1 libertadores and 1 sudamericana. Runners ups 2 time in sudamericana

    ( 4 finals ) and only two teams : nacional and Santa Fe

    Argentina : 4 libertadores and one runner up in libertadores . 4 sudamericanas and 3 runner ups .

    12 finals : Estudiantes , San Lorenzo , River , Boca , tigre , independiente , Arsenal , Lanús and huracán .


    That Colombia have had a couple of titles doesn't mean that is better than Argentina league in overall

    Colombian league is less competitive isn't a secret

    Colombia is exporting and players shouldnt pass through Argentina before Europe . But the players have more adaptation problems than argentinos , because the thing
     
  13. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Indiferentemente cual es mejor liga, Argentina desarolla mejores jugadores que Colombia.

    Siempre que mandamos jugadores directo de col a Europa tienen que adaptarse mientras que si sale de Arg no siempre pasa asi
     
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  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Aquí todavía dirige Juan Jose Peláez , maturana y comesana tu como crees que van aprender del fútbol moderno con esos dinosaurios


    La liga Argentina en crist y todo nos sigue superando , la cantidad de equipos competitivos allá es mucho mayor que la de nosotros
     
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  15. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    what do you guys think of De La Pava? Someone to possibly take seriously? we don't have a lot of options when it comes to younger up and coming managers. Most of them are very raw. Gio Hernandez, Mario Yepes, Leonel Alvarez etc.
     
  16. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Doesn't Argentina and Uruguay, specifically Buenos Aires and Montevideo, the soccer pyramid is insane? There is like 10 divisions or so right?

    Compare to colombias what 4?
     
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  17. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Was good in 2000 to 2002......then he was shit for ten years (inlcuding a u-23 team in colombia) ...then he imporved at cortulua where he fixed a good team.

    Imho is a gamble.....
     
  18. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yepes needs to prove himself in a smaller team or go be an assistant to Pekerman or Rueda. His player choices weren't very good and felt like he just tried to get his friends final pay days when he had a awesome young team that he totally wasted.

    Alvarez I feel gets a bad rep. Decent option and promising coach let's see how he does in Paraguay.

    Gio.... I didn't like as a player or coach. He needs to go be someone's understudy.

    Hope Luis Perea gets a shot. Think he taking the courses or is in one of Atletico Madrids youth teams. He had the best coaches out of the bunch and isn't rushing to coach.
     
  19. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    The two best Colombian coaches around are Rueda and Osorio. They have something in common that the rest do not: actual coaching study, most of it done overseas.

    Small team, big team. It's all the same. When you enter an institution with no prior education all you know is what the institution taught you. Yepes was set to begin his training in Europe before taking the Cali job. Now he's just part of the cycle of 30 coaches in the FPC.
     
  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Actually i prefer a lot of mediocre colombian coaches before osorio
     
  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  22. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  23. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    This is the last friendly before the season starts, but it does not have that vibe at all. The crowd is pretty electric after his goal

    Edit: Nevermind. This is Copa Argentina. And they just advanced. Makes sense now :)
     
  24. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Borre played the last 15 minutes. He had a decent chance that he curved around the keeper but ended up hitting the crossbar. Last highlight in this video:
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Alario apparently is going to germany.....


    So he will have a lot of chances to be the starter sooner
     

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