Part of me was like man those defenders are horrible however the other part of me was like Santos Borre had to hustle and position himself to get to his destination and he slotted both goals home well with good definition and technique. Let's hope he keeps it up and is not streaky like Montero haha.
Hope this guy stays in Spain but gets loaned to a smaller side. Villareall was the worst place for him with all of their strikers. Honestly, he probably would have played more if Atletico kept him.
#Atención El colombiano Santos Borré en la convocatoria de Simeone para México https://t.co/xTU0arDjlA— Antena 2 Deportes (@Antena2RCN) July 23, 2017
River tiene un nuevo refuerzo: Rafael Santos Borré. Le compran el 50% del pase al Atlético Madrid y firma por 4 años. Vía @NoTodoPasaTyC pic.twitter.com/hPEXl5RinP— César Luis Merlo (@CLMerlo) August 3, 2017
I did not see this coming at all. He'll definitely get more chances at River than he did at Atletico. Good for him.
Yup.... hope he finishes developing.... but shocked not 1 Spanish team wanted to give him a shot. Good luck.... I like River better then Boca but 4 colombians is hard to not cheer for
Inst true. River is offering to pay 3 millions for the 50% ....very attractive offer...that few spanish teams can afford when they only want a loan
its more of a case of River Plate offering a good amount of money for a player that Atletico don't have the interest in developing right now. As he said ^ he had offers from other spanish teams but I think this is the right move. he'll be back in europe regardless
"Antes el trampolín era Argentina. Hoy se van derecho a Europa y tienen que volver para terminar de madurar" @MelukLeCuenta en @ConexionWIN pic.twitter.com/rlhReOoMTO— Win Sports (@WinSportsTV) August 4, 2017
Argie league use to actually be good. Look most of the talent there leaves at u17 or u20 level. Borre had one god like season and wasn't a finished product he went to a team way too big for him and they sent him to a team that was too big and has a lot of good offensive players. Davison Sanchez was even younger and voted best CB in the Dutch league. Just because one guy fails doesn't mean hey let's run back to Argentina. I for one am happy we don't go to Argentina anymore because we cut out the middle man!!! Before Boca buys X player for 500k-1 million sells him in 6 months for 5 mil. Colombian team gets nothing. Now Colombian team gets 2-6 million for a player directly to Europe. Dude even shit teams in our league are selling directly to Europe. They don't even need the go to Nacional or Dep Cali move to go. Are guys failing? Yes and they have to come back with their tails between their leagues. But how many of the guys that still go to Argentina fail? A shit ton
Did you watch the video ? Or just read the title ? Because in the explanation isnt even related with borre or to defend league of Argentina . The Although Our best players haven been produced in Argentina. That is a fact The list of player that have struggled from Colombia is bigger than the list of the ones that have succeeded recently and is bigger more in top leagues ( between Nederland , Belgium there is no to much difference with our football ) .. There is a lot of examples
Also that guy is a fking idiot. Comparing Yepes, Córdoba, James and Falcao to Marlo's and Borre. Yea 4 of our best players of all find to 2 promising youngsters. Then in his same argument he said talked about Bocas 4 Colombians and how it didn't go well for them....
Most of our players have had struggled to adapt to Europe in recent years isn't a secret . Alexis zapata , Borja , Quiñones , arias ( after 2 years in Portugal with no minutes ) , Marlos, Juan Fernando quintero , borre , Pedro franco , andres Tello , Guillermo celis , Wilson cuero , seijas , Mateo casierra , Brayan Perea, Daniel torres , john Miranda , eric Moreno , Dorian Pabon And we are talking about players that were the best in out league at his moment with minutes in fpc and in their generations Davinson have been more an exception in a non top league ...Ajax and Psv were eliminated from Europe this year now with teams of poor leagues As well as izquierdo
I agree with both opinions to an extent. But I really believe the problem really lies in the work rate in the Colombian league. Some guys are prepared for it like Davinson for example but some of these other kids are like a fish in a shark tank. The quality of training and technical quality is a massive jump. I think the Colombian league as a whole needs to step it up a bit competitively and maybe its style to an extent. The Argentine league may not be what it used to but the training and competition in the league gives these new kids a taste of what they might be looking at in Europe. I do love that these guys are going straight to Europe but I'm not surprised a lot of them aren't panning out.
Son mas los que estan fracasando recientemente que salen de nuestra liga que los que triunfan, a pesar de ser figuras en colombia
Eso no niega mi punto. Simplemente da un "consuelo mediocre" Da la coincidencia que los Colombianos que salen de argentina tienen casi un 80% de exito en europa a diferencia de los que salen directos. Por porcentaje igualmente los jugadores que han salido de la liga urguaya y liga argentina con exito en europa debe ser mayor al de Colombia en los años recientes.
La verdad es que en los ultimos años son pocos los jugadores colombianos que salen de argentina a europa..los que recuerdo recientemente son Mauricio Cuero al Levante, James, Carbonero a Italia, Balanta a Suiza, Botello a España y el ultimo es Rincon a Portugal, solo James ha tenido exito, en los ultimos 5 o 7 años dudo que el porcentaje sea de un 80% En el pasado es claro que Argentina era un trampolin a Europa, y de hecho era el principal pais de destino de los jugadores colombianos, hoy los mercados son otros. Hay muchos jugadores de los que nombraste que se fueron muy jovenes y otros que no llevan ni temporada y media en europa, caso Miranda, Torres o Marlos, hay que ser pacientes. Seria interesante hacer esa comparacion con los jugadores de Argentina y Uruguay, aunque yo lo dudo en verdad..argentina exporta cientos de jugadores y ahora colombia se esta equiparando con uruguay
Duvan Zapata Teo tuvo un rednimiento de 18 goles en su estancia en portugal, marcando gol en todas las competiciones. Tambien para nadie es un secreto que Teo mejoro mucho su nivel desde racing, en caracter. Balanta tuvo un gran temporada en Suiza , conviertiendo goles y figuro en champions Carbonero lo hizo bien , y consiguio trasferencia a mejor equipo en su estancia (samp). Las lesiones lo sacaron de europa. Osorio Botello se va por el descenso del valladolid. Marco 5 goles , uno incluso al madrid. Pero Cuero fue vendido por un precio alto despues del descenso del levante. Son juagdores con mucha mayor participación en su estancia que marlos, borre, borja, tello, pabon Si pasan jovenes por argentina es verdad que adquieren un plus.....que los de aca directo salvo expeciones no tienen.
Es verdad que adquieren un plus..pero los juadores qe nombraste no estuvieron mas de 1 temporada en europa y los mandaron de regreso a America..excepto Balanta que aun sigue ahi y al menos parece qe esta recuperando la titularidad en su equipo (que perdio a mitad de la temporada pasada).. Borre jugo 30 partidos en su primera temporada en europa, Tello ha tenido bastante participacion tanto en la Serie b como en la A..marlos lleva 6 meses en europa..aun no lo podemos juzgar.. En resumen para mi ya no es necesario pasar por argentina para tener un cierto grado de exito en europa..
I feel like you're either mis-remembering or bending the definition of "best in our league" to make your point: A Zapata: 12 starts and he was decent at best. Borja: 16 starts only 8 goals scored in 3 seasons. He went to Europe strictly as a promising player. Quintero: He was definitely a promising kid, he was only just starting to turn promise into performance before he left. Tello: 16. He was only starting to make his name, and he was playing an ENTIRELY different position. Cuero: 3. This dude was an absolute nobody. He left after the sub 17. B Perea: had quite a few starts at a young age, but only scored 11 goals in 3,000 minutes played. Definitely not a star M Casierra: Pretty decent, but was benched over 30 times in favor of Borre and Preciado. Not even in the top ten of FPC's strikers. Quinones: He was decent for Cali for one season. Junior fans liked him. One of the best in the league? Nah. Only Qunitero and Quniones can claim to have been standouts for Colombian youth squads. These guys were promises--not stars. Torres, Pabon, Arias, Franco, Celis, and Borre were actually tried and true players. Each of them were starters for at least 3 seasons. Now let's look at their "struggles." Torres: started 17 matches in La Liga and several Copa del Rey matches. I don't know what you have against him. That's a damn good first season in Europe. Franco: He had a good year of starting and playing well in Turkey. He didn't have a difficult time adapting to that region of European futbol. Something happened with his coach and he was never really the same again. He even played terribly in Argentina. Pabon: He hardly played his first 6 months at Parma. His next 6 months for Betis were GREAT. 14 starts and 8 goals. Then he played another 6 months for Valencia and did ok. 11 starts and 4 goals. The guy's a mercenary. If he stuck it out, I think he could have had a decent career in Europe. He surely showed he was more than capable. Arias: Yeah, he took some time Celis: Listen, he was NEVER going to start for Benfica. He just doesn't have the quality. The same way that Arango probably won't get any minutes there either. Benfica's a top quality club. Hopefully he works it out at Guimaraes. Borre: Similarly, Atletico were never going to give him a run. Villareall had 7 other strikers who've had some degree of success in Europe in the past. The times he did play (In La Liga and Champions) he did not look out of place at all. Marlos: this is the guy who really has struggled. He's the only one that was given PLENTY of playing time that didn't impress at all. I think it's important to divide the promising sub21s who were purchased for <$2 million from actual finished products. Most of Colombia's exports are kids without much experience or grit. But yeah, the success rate of ALL Colombians (from FPC or Argentina) isn't too great.
Arango was loaned to Chaves actually. Also I don't think Casierra's been terrible. He's scored an ok amount of goals and he's like 19