Racism

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by BioChemist13, Oct 13, 2002.

  1. BioChemist13

    BioChemist13 New Member

    Jul 7, 2002
    Chicago
    I have to say that the recent rise in racist taunts in Europe, have been disgusting and harmful to the game and threatens to put a black eye on he countries supporters and the club supporters involved.
     
  2. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    To make matters worse, UEFA are just handing out paltry fines. If anything is to be done about this, they need to start forcing games to be played behind closed doors, and even throwing teams (and nations) out of tournaments. It is totally unacceptable in this (or any) day and age.
     
  3. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    maybe european teams should start hiring more EUROPEANS instead of somany foreigners.
     
  4. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Like Lilian Thuram and Fabio Liverani? Idiot. :rolleyes:

    But seriously, while I agree that racism has no place in soccer, I wonder if UEFA should be in the business of dictating taste and politics. I fully agree with sanctions against clubs if supporters are causing danger to other supporters, but I'm not sure if UEFA should punish clubs for expression of racism.

    As distasteful as it is, policing expression should be left up to the clubs unless it poses a threat to player and fan safety.
     
  5. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    answer this:

    if a crowd of supporters at an nba game started making racial chants towards one of the many black players on the court (aka: all 10 of them) do you think it would be the team or the league who would be charged with resolving the problem? i can see the league handing down a very hefty fine to the team...
     
  6. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 16, 2002
    Kentucky
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The deliberate soothsayer or prognosticator withholds momments. These momments are one of purity. Its yieldings not of sword but affixation. An impartial additive must be offered, if defiance is to be reached. You say "racism". I say racialism. The ethnic quadrumvirate reaches Orientials, Blacks, Indians, and Whites, if there is another race due tell!

    Let's take soccer coaching for example. We grow old have understanding of sport. When we are young, we learn through visions not through words. Once we comprehend language, I feel it is coaching, that makes the player. How many times we've gone to practice soccer and the fundamentals have been there but; the mind isn't up to speed of particapants? Coacher and players alike. I realized entering this thread and saw movement in history. Is this not a reason to rebel? When is a good time to exercise dexterity? Shall I join a gymnasium? These are questions, that run ramped; on footsteps.

    Once, I said "The dollar value is comparable to idiosyncrasy and concession. One takes great pride in seeing hyperbolas and wonder screw head on straight." I hope crowd chanting and shriek whistles are not to blame. A gentleman not only aids but assists. This problem has even out ran Apollo. So I leave you, the admirable correspondent to lengthen and to well up this thread.
     
  7. Foots

    Foots Member

    Jan 7, 2002
    Ellicott City, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    that's a rug
     
  8. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    "Like Lilian Thuram and Fabio Liverani? Idiot. "

    they are africans.

    i know this topic is politically incorrect but seriously if the fans want to see people THAT LOOK LIKE THEM then the clubs should hire more of their own people.

    imagine if in africa lots of the players were white, people would want the clubs to hire less whites and more of their own.

    i know racism is bad but you have to understand all sides.
     
  9. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    If it weren't for "Africans," France would not have a national team, or if it did it would be the equivalent of Bosnia. The best man gets the job, and in many cases in football, the best man happens to be Black (or some other non-White). Should not athletic ability be the sole determinant on who plays?
     
  10. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Have you ever been to France, Don? If you've spent even 5 minutes in Paris, you'd know how stupid you sound.

    There are people of African descent in most western European countries. There are French people that look like Thuram and Italians who look like Liverani.

    You don't think they support clubs too?
     
  11. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    My guess is that there would be enough public pressure for the team to resolve the problem before the league gets involved.
     
  12. Morpheus

    Morpheus New Member

    Jun 19, 2001
    Midlands
    What other side? Abuse is abuse whether its racist or not. If a white guy was playing in Africa and he got abuse then the same rules apply, its wrong. If racism is not acceptable in everyday life why should it be acceptable at football games?

    Your trying to justify racism by saying that the fans want to see people who look like them!!!! Then all the footballers would be fat f**ckers with no brains and small d!cks. Plus its not about their own teams its about visiting teams. Why should visiting teams only field players that look like the fans from the ground they are playing at!!!

    Wrong is wrong and all those complete, ******************ing Peices of sh!t that hurl racist abuse should be made to pay.
     
  13. michaec

    michaec Member

    Arsenal
    England
    May 24, 2001
    Essex
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is the most idiotic statement I've heard in a while and I've heard a few. So what about the black people in the crowd, why can't they watch someone play football who looks like them? Because there is a minority of black supporters (in England at least) this means that black players in England should expect to be subjected to racist abuse by the majority white supporters? I can't believe anyone would have such a crap argument to justify racism in any walk of life, let alone in a sporting context where the only criteria should be that if you are good enough to be in whatever team, then you should be in.

    And as for the picking Europeans to play in Europe stuff, how does that justify the abuse given out to the black England players in Slovakia on Saturday. Emile Heskey is from Leicester and Ashley Cole is from London for God's sake!
     
  14. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So do you think white South African players get abuse when they play for their side?

    This argument, weak enough as it is, completely falls over when you consider than fans are abusing the opposition team rather than their own. Why would Slovaks care what English players look like? Do they really have a burning desire to see the English team looking typically English?
     
  15. vico

    vico Member

    Aug 6, 2001
    Stockholm, Sweden
    the statements by lond2345 are the most ridiculous i've seen on this board.

    when are you going to learn that race and nationality is two entirely different things? is michael jordan an african? i always thought that he was from united states. if you look at perus national teams 2 best strikers one is black and the other is white. but they both speak the same language they were born and raised in the same country and belong to the same culture.

    to put it short both are peruvians!

    it's the same thing with desailly, zidane, djorkaeff and thuram from france and ashley cole and sol campbell from england to name a few. let's not forget henrik larsson, zlatan ibrahimovic and martin dahlin from sweden either.
     
  16. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Don't forget that Ashley Cole is half cast. What do they do then? half boo him? Boo him every other time he touches the ball?
     
  17. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Make polite racial slurs?
    "If it pleases you good sir, I would like you to go back to the jungle." "Sorry to interrupt you Mr, Cole but would you care for a banana?"
     
  18. Foxhound

    Foxhound Red Card

    Jun 15, 2000
    It's a social problem not a football one.

    You will never completly eradicate racism as it is part of the human psyche.
     
  19. bigsmooth

    bigsmooth New Member

    Jun 18, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Doesn't mean you can't make the culprits pay for it. The issue is how to do it.

    You can't eliminate crime, rape, murder, etc. completely from the human race, either, but it doesn't mean you just sit on your a** and allow it to proliferate to a point where it threatens people.

    Let's just be clear that just because something can't be eliminated doesn't justify its existence.
     
  20. Real Ray

    Real Ray Member

    May 1, 2000
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 16, 2002
    Kentucky
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our mediocre mediacy endeavour by embellishments. Today's era fans make the engine work. If there is no public appeal, the fuel catalyst is dormant. The timing is what biliously revs me. It's not a question necessarily of abilities but a question of deterrence. Let's take a White subject for example.

    You put White subject on court, field, arena or stadia etc... and the adaptableness will follow. A White subject has more to learn comparable by others. The statistical nominally is pot-valiant pot-walloper of might-have-been . A white subject appears not to benfit from contracts of sport. Others seem to do. The intruders go leaving stones unturned. Remembrance for environmentalley sound decisions. Otherwise makes for a great taste in liquidness.
     
  22. WATCH WHAT YOUR SAYING NOW!
     
  23. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
    Sunnyvale
    Do the English supporters stick up for their Black players, when the other teams supporters racially abuse them, and rain crap at them?
     
  24. Foxhound

    Foxhound Red Card

    Jun 15, 2000
    Depends if they are any good
     
  25. FC LA

    FC LA New Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not even the point. People as ignorant as they may be are entitled to whatever opinion they wish. They should not be entitled to hurl racial abuse in a public forum any more than I should be able to walk up to a stranger on the street and rain threatening and abusive verbiage on them. That's all this is about, no more. No one believes that racism has been eradicated from the U.S. Yet there is not a sporting event in the country anything like this could take place. Anyone who participated in such behavior would be removed, no questions asked.
     

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