Racism...Forever?

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    If we're talking about Auria (I admit to being a bit lost here), my one quibble would be that he was very sensitive on his particular issue, and not so much on others. Black/white relations, he gave little quarter. But talking about which women he would have, and why, and their looks ... his reaction to complaints of sexism was, "Loosen up baby."

    I get it. Most people are like that. Only he was a bit more extreme.

    I'm surprised he disappeared. Demo, I got. She was very noticeably disappointed in the U.S., that this country could have made *that* decision. She is in hiding not because she can't take the reality of Trump, but because she can't take the reality that her fellow citizens permitted Donald Trump. The latter is much more crushing than the former, who is after all just a single unlikable person.

    But Auria never expected any better of (white) Americans. He wouldn't have been let down.
     
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  2. chaski

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  3. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    I think it wasn't/ isn't a matter of "let down" so much as it was a safety issue.

    His posting history here was a little bit of an attention grabber for the type of person who shoots India born neighbors thinking they are Muslims; and I think he wanted to err on the side of caution for a while while he got some sense of the new reality that President Trump was bringing us.

    Nor do I think that was very unreasonable of him-- I don't think he's in any real danger, but that's maybe easy for me to say since I'm not darker than blue. He's had to live with more safety-firsts than I have.
     
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  4. soccernutter

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    And I clarified that earlier in that post.
    Are you serious? I called him out on his phrasing several times for just this type of post, but his phrasing was different than mine (or yours), but ultimately he and I aligned after explanation. I seriously think you must have missed those exchanges and his clarifications.

    But what was different than me in that he did admit to viewing some women for being attractive, having a good looking body part. But he also left it there, and didn't let that effect his ability to see that woman as a human. He could separate that in a way that he was okay with. It still did not diminish his opinions of a woman/women in general. And he recognized the reverse, that women do the same to men.

    He was a bit more direct, and didn't use much subtlety in his posts. I have found that the more north I got in the midwest, and the more suburban I got, the more uncomfortable people get with his kind of directness. It is not necessarily about being afraid of oneself, but it is the community as a whole.

    I got the impression that Demo disappeared because she got busy with other things in her life.

    He did expect better of the average person, which is why he did get let down. He didn't expect full understanding, but he did expect better. I think he expected enough people to see though the bullshit that Trump was peddling to not elect him President. But I also certain he was not surprised.
     
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  5. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
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    I follow Demosthenes on Twitter and she's plenty political there. I think she just didn't have time to continue here and/or chose her platforms differently based on where she had time to spend.
     
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  6. bostonsoccermdl

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    Apr 3, 2002
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    The discussion awhile back re: the Tiger Woods sex/porn star scandal comes to mind.. His take was essentially something along the lines of the "Heh man, guy is rich and has a lot of temptation, I am not going to hate on the guy..." Regardless, done discussing someone who isn't here anymore.
     
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  8. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Real interesting how different the NFL and NBA are when it comes to these things.

    The latter has a very clear black majority as far as players are concerned but the NFL isn't too too far behind. In coaching and management, the difference starts getting bigger.

    And in culture it's almost night and day. Something about football brings out the most authoritarian aspects of people.
     
  9. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    Where do you get this stuff?
     
  10. soccernutter

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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    They're fundamentally different games. Football is drill, drill, drill until you get it right and can do it in your sleep. The coach is a "field general" who takes the team into battle. Think of George Carlin's description of football.

    Basketball has more free lancing, open play and the coach isn't so much a field general as a benign leader who in most cases keeps things organized but doesn't hamstring his best players. Phil Jackson was the coach but we all know who called the shots in Chicago. And Phil's being pilloried by the NY press & sports talk as GM of the Knicks today. They're basically saying - you were this great coach with stars like Michael/Scottie, Kobe/Shaq....but what have you done with Carmelo, Derrick Rose, Porzingis and some spare parts?
     
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  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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  13. russ

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    There was a time when basketball was very pattern oriented as well.Many defenses today are highly rule oriented.
    The game in itself changed as the players became bigger and faster.
    I remember as a boy reading an SI article discussing the possibility of raising the rim to 12 feet to get rid of all that pesky dunking.
     
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  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Basketball vs. football -

    5 players vs. 22 players
    openly visible vs. hidden by masks
    improvisation vs. playbook
    city vs. suburban/rural

    For starters. At any rate, the NBA and NFL do have very different vibes. Several NBA teams are boycotting Trump hotels. Meanwhile, the Buffalo Bills had a coach who openly and vocally supported Donald Trump. That wouldn't fly in the NBA.
     
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I'm a bigger NFL fan than NBA. The regular NBA season is almost meaningless. But I do like NCAA bball.

    You're right, guys like Greg Popovich have been calling Trump a dumbass for some time and his owners do nothing.
     
  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Steve Kerr, too. The Houston Rockets owner is a NJ atheist who thinks religion is stupid. Etc. The NBA is a blue league, NASCAR is red, and NFL/MLB are purple.
     
  17. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    I don't think, in my area, basketball/football has a city/suburban split. Football is played in all of the urban parks in the fall, same as the suburbs. I have friends that have moved their suburban kids to the inner-city youth leagues because the play is better.
     
  18. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Maybe your area. There ain't no NFL players coming from the cities of Chicago or New York, and I expect most of the other largest cities, either. There aren't football fields.

    Only one Chicago football team ever made it to State finals, and that was in 1982. The burbs rule.
     
  19. stanger

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    I'll give you the state championship programs tend to be the suburban schools, private high schools and rural programs. Football isn't an inexpensive sport to play like basketball is, but here in central Ohio I think the allure of OSU and seeing some of the inner-city kids make it out through that route keeps the sport alive in the inner city public schools.
     
  20. soccernutter

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    I wouldn't label basketball as city (any stereotyping there?). Also, regarding football, in more densly populated areas, particularly as one goes north, football will be lesser due to real estate issues. How many basketball courts can you have per football field? How may football fields are indoors? Comparing two similar sized cities, Memphis and Milwaukee. In Memphis, football is bigger in the city (and all over). In Milwaukee, basketball is bigger in the city (but football/Packers is bigger in the burbs than basketball). This is about population density plus weather.
     
  21. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Stereotyping? The Chicago city champ has won Illinois State basketball 7 years in the past 8. Chicago ball is BIG. People write about it, watch it, talk about it. Chicago city football ... nada. Can't beat anybody, nobody cares about them. The best of them would get smoked by the big suburban schools.

    It's the same in New York, and I bet in Boston, Cleveland, DC, Philly, etc.
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    NJ Catholic powerhouses have solved the problem by attracting their core base of wealthy (mostly white) suburban kids and brought in ringers from cities like soon-to-be top pick Jabrill pepperrs.

    Also see The Blind Side.
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Familiar. That's the formula that got Loyola the 2015 Illinois title, and runner-up in 2016. Although its ringers come as much from poorer suburbs as they do the city.
     
  24. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
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    Think how often the Chicago schools would win if they were represented based on population, not just geographical region. The Sweet Sixteen would have 7-10 schools in some divisions. Which would kill the ratings for the state championships downstate, which in my day was the only part of the state that cared about high school basketball enough to watch it on TV in March.

    Hey, how long have they been playing in Peoria, and not in the Assembly Hall at the U of I? And what's with four divisions?

    Huh. It looks like they do arrange more by population than region these days. And how the ******** did Galesburg lose to Macomb?
     
  25. Dr. Wankler

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    May 2, 2001
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    I bought that book thinking it would be to football what Moneyball is for baseball. Instead, it was the Feel-Good book if the year about corription in high school and college sports, a feat which was amplified in the chick-flick movie version.
     

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