Racism...Forever?

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    The charts are percentage of total.


    Here is the source study no paywall.

    http://econweb.umd.edu/~tuttle/files/tuttle_mandatory_minimums.pdf



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  2. xtomx

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Free candy AND rape.
    Two reasons I almost never go to banks.
     
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  3. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Several years ago, when I was living in Memphis, I mentioned how McDonald's was advertising specifically to to Black population. And I mean all segments of the Black population. It was ridiculous, and I felt a bit racist.
     
  4. russ

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    Puts the Eddie Murphy hamburger sketch in a different context for sure.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Of course Chappelle covered the impact of McDs (WacArnold's) in the community. :D

    (NSFW)

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/czvwdf/chappelle-s-show-wacarnold-s---uncensored
     
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  6. Dr. Wankler

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    Man, you people are lucky. The only free thing my bank offers: refrigerator magnets of the Phillies schedule.

    Yeah. No thanks.
     
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  7. Dulliwhig

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    The graph you just posted lumps blacks and Hispanics together. Wouldn't full disclosure of this breakdown be more telling? For example, what if Hispanics had more than both whites and blacks? They can't be exactly the same, so why leave this data out?

    It seems as if the size of the circles are intended to represent the percentage of offenses in the weight category (grams). If that is the case, they are incorrectly sized. On top of that, the circle size of the black/hispanic chart of 280g is close to double the size of the white one. The difference between 5% and 7.5% is 50%, so it is 25% bigger than it should be.

    The black/hispanic chart, the highest classification percentage is shown at less than 2%. Meanwhile, the white chart has 14 that show up above the same reference point. This makes it appear that there is a very significant outlier in the black/Hispanic data while the white 280 gram point just blends in.

    Unless I am completely misunderstanding something, these charts are deliberately misleading. I don't know who put these together, but someone from the Economist would not make mistakes like these, they are deliberate. I should not be able to point these flaws out over a lunch break.
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  8. luftmensch

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    I think it had more to do with the absurdity of assuming bank candy was a diabolical plot to distract us from bank rape rather than a nice gesture on the part of some local branch managers straining to keep their location afloat in an era of online banking.
     
  9. xtomx

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    It is a diabolical plot on behalf of local branch managers to make clients and their children fat and ruin their teeth, in order to help out the local branch managers 'real clients,' the local dentists, pediatricians and internal medicine doctors.

    "People are saying" that bank candy is the No. 1 cause of obesity and diabetes in much of America!
     
  10. Auriaprottu

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    Alex Jones says every third piece of candy has a roofie in it. "I was discussing a loan with the officer and suddenly I felt faint..."
     
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  11. ceezmad

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    #14411 ceezmad, Jan 17, 2020
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    In the did not separate black or Hispanic in the tables and charts, they are comparing minorities with whites.

    I linked to the paper the economist used as a source, they have the equations and tables in there, not just charts.


    This is the note they have for the chart above.
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    You can read the whole paper, it has a lot of statistical math that is above my pay grade.

    They do have their hypothesis and alternate hypothesis in the description of the paper. the charts are using correlations between arrests and google searches to pick up racial bias.


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    dude starts with this, and shit just gets more complex as you go down the study.


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    http://econweb.umd.edu/~tuttle/files/tuttle_mandatory_minimums.pdf
     

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  12. Dulliwhig

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    I understand that. The problem is that Hispanics and blacks would have differed from eachother at the 280g mark. Leaving them out is manipulation of the data.
    The author of the paper does not even have his PHD in economics:
    https://codytuttle.github.io/tuttle_cv.pdf

    If the graphs are garbage, I find the data and their conclusions highly suspect. Do you dispute my critique of the graphs?
     
  13. msilverstein47

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  14. Dulliwhig

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  15. Auriaprottu

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  16. black pete
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    sorry:D
     
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  17. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    "The people may know but
    The people don't care
    That a man could be
    As poor as me
    Take a look at poor Peter
    He's lying in pain
    Now let's go run
    And see"
    Run and see
    Hey, hey
    Run and see"

    (Garcia/Hunter "Black Peter")
     
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  18. roby

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    I don't know about bank candy but I met Candy Banks at the local branch. :whistling:

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  19. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    Like to bump this thread to mention something a little bit hopeful.

    The Acting Secretary of the Navy has announced that the next aircraft carrier, about to start construction, will NOT be named after a president.

    It will be the "USS Doris Miller."

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. ceezmad

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    The bubbles are rations based on his equations.
     
  21. superdave

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    TIL Doris used to be a unisex name.
     
  22. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    On the Sunday Morning story about this his relatives said that his mother was told it would be a girl and no-one bothered to inform her that it was a boy until after they had filed the birth certificate. They always called him Dorrie.
     
  23. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    But not in his case. As was common for a while here, his family wanted a girl and expressed their disappointment by giving him a girl's name. I had a great uncle named Marian Shirley [surname] for the same reason. Grew up to be 6-5, 310, and the meanest man in three counties.

    Dorie Miller was also a big man, a boxer and the favorite for the heavyweight championship of the Pacific fleet-- he had won the "West Virginia" tournament already, but the fleet tournament was interrupted by the war. He was said to be well-liked, extremely gentle (outside the ring) and very bright-- he had been promoted twice in a few years in a service that paid little attention to the abilities of its black members, and expected very little of them. They were basically relegated to food and laundry.

    His battle station was as an ammo passer for an antiaircraft gun that was destroyed by the first bomb that hit the ship, before he could get there from the laundry which was his Sunday watch. A junior officer set him to trying to find safer places for wounded men, but there were none-- the ship had been hit by five torpedoes almost immediately and was settling rapidly; the wounded were less safe below decks than out among the bombs and bullets. The officer then heard the captain had been wounded and sent Miller to see what he could do abour making him more comfortable. The Captain was dying, knew it, said he wasn't especially uncomfortable, and there was a fifty caliber on the wing of the bridge whose gunner hadn't shown up, could Dorie see what he could do with it?

    Miller said later that "Those guns was pretty simple, and I had been watching those white boys using them. Worked fine for me and I'm pretty sure I got one of those planes."

    While the West Virginia was being raised and refurbished (she later took a major part in the battle of Surigao Strait) her healthy crew were transferred to other ships, and Miller, after a couple of such moves, wound up on one of the first escort carriers, I think, and was lost when she was sunk off Tarawa. (He also did a Joe Louis type tour to try to stimulate black enlistment.) He received the Navy Cross for his actions of Dec. 7th, which was at least partly a PR move-- many guys did as or more heroic things that day and didn't get Navy Crosses for them-- but it was also partly a recognition that the Navy had been undervaluing men like him; Admiral Nimitz insisted on awarding Miller's medal personally, and Nimitz was hardly noted for his affinity for glamor...
     
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  24. ToMhIlL

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    Feb 18, 1999
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    Not that I've had a lot of experience in this area, but don't they usually take all your possessions when they lock you up, including belts and shoelaces? I would have thunk it would be pretty hard for him to even have his phone with him if they did that. If it was the guard's fault, maybe he should serve the 12 years instead.
     

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