Racism...Forever?

Yeah, it's a very South American outlook. They do complain about the cost of living and prices but they always seem to find funds for said party.

 

There was a joke about a family that needed to collect money for some medical treatment for a grandma but most relatives claimed that they didn't have much money and they fell short of the target. When grandma died, and they decided to have a celebration of her life, money poured in and they partied for about a week.


Priorities.

 

Ehh, nooo....Saxons came from Germany....their streets are as ugly as the AngloSaxons ones

Donot look at the house, look at the street...awfull. Mannheim.

© Peeta

It was an American woman, living in the Netherlands, I saw on Youtube that pointed at it.
She said she didnot need a border to know she leaves or enters the Netherlands. The streets tell her if she's in or out

 

A poignant moment at @SenGillibrand's Youngstown, OH roundtable occurred when a white woman holding her baby asked her about how Dems talk about white privilege while she is still struggling. Gillibrand took a beat, and then answered the woman’s question.

Full exchange below: pic.twitter.com/jzNXSSzABN

— Amanda Golden (@amandawgolden) July 11, 2019

 

Those are pretty cool! There is a building I saw in Darmstadt Germany that is pretty crazy like those, but here's one I've been past a bunch of times in Cambridege, MA:

 

Not one mention of intersectionality. Epic missed opportunity.

But seriously, like people in the thread, I wonder how it went over among the "I'm white and have faced struggles, therefore 'white privilege' is racist against white people" crowd.

 

OK, found it! This is the Darmstadt building:

 

What is this thread's opinion on white privilege. Do yall feel it exists

If you do, what do you do to rectify the situation. Does it ever get awkward

Hey ceesmad, why do you feel that whites are more privileged than you. What do you feel they owe you

 

1) Yes
2) Case by case basis. A point I make (usually to white people who are feeling "economic anxiety") is that few if any people are asking that we give up white privilege. They just want us to share it so that POC (to take one example from Gillbrand's tweet) don't go to jail for things white people do with relative impunity. Her example is weed. Around here it would be riding those quad-cycles in the city: police had a "no chase" policy until black people took up the hobby.
3) Pretty much always with white people.

 

Curious: when do you have the occasion/opportunity/whatever to make points like this? When/where do you have conversations with people about things like whether white privilege exists?

 

Most recently, in a coffeehouse with a generally nice guy who watches too much Fox News. He can usually keep his cool, but, like most Fox viewers, he can get triggered easily. A few weeks ago, he went on a "the problem with black people" thing about a case here where three black kids were charged in the death of a white police officer who, in pursuit, vaulted a wall that was about five feet high on the side he climbed over, but 20 feet on the other side.

That was a few years ago, the kids, in their teens, were tried as adults. Then, a few weeks ago, the question about parole came up for them, and he was having none of it. I pointed out that, if the kids have been white, there wouldn't have been a pursuit. And even if there had been, I doubt any of them would be in any serious detention, since they really had little to do with the officer's death (a point I would have NOT made had any of the Sheriff's deputies who frequent the place been around). I also agreed with him that it's a good idea to listen to the police, but pointed out a lot of black people have done just that and wound up dead.

Like the people JohnR mentioned not lng ago, I doubt he changed his mind.

 

Coffeehouse? Like what I think of when I think of a coffeehouse?


Can you elaborate on the circumstances of this? Was he someone you knew reasonably well beforehand? Someone that you didn't know that well, but had had conversations with in the past? Or was he just a person you didn't know who started venting in the direction of a TV, and you then engaged him over the things that he said?

I'm just wondering how these conversations *happen* for some people, because they pretty much never do for me, except occasionally online. I feel like this is the kind of thing where people (especially me) have to be brave and talk about it with others; but I don't know what that means in a practical sense. Such conversations can't really happen at work (in fact, if politics -- not issues, but *politics* -- are involved, they legally cannot occur at work); they don't at home because for the most part my wife and I are on the same page; and these days I don't seem to get out much.

 

I know him reasonably well: I go to this particular coffeehouse three times a week. He's retired (82 years old to my 58) and is there every day. We've been on a first name basis for about five years. And what set him off was a poster for a fundraiser for one (or all, don't remember) of the people in jail.

I'm not the sort of person that will have a conversation like this with strangers, mainly because I'm not the sort of person that converses with strangers. And if I have conversations like this at work, I'm usually the teacher, so I try not to be the lefty version of my high school civics teacher: a John Bircher who got removed from his post at the local American Legion forbthe extrmity of his views. Though when I was teaching Jr. college football players a few years back, 95% of whom were black, that was a lot different.

Here is the coffeehouse. The barista on the left was working today. The one on the right has his own roasting business and is doing well



Not sure what the guy ordering is up to right now...

 

The one on the right needs to shave, that's disgusting.

Clinton's a pervert.

 

Maybe. He & Obama were pretty good presidents tho. We have a rapist, racist moron in that office now.

 

In what way? What policies of theirs did you like, and how did they benefit you personally?

 

How about some equal treatment by police, politicians, restaurant owners, and white people in general for starters.

 

Trying to figure out how much dirt Epstein has on him.

 

What's disgusting about it? It's facial hair. I've never worn one of those beards where you have to go to the barber every week to have every strand carefully lasered to the same length and then lasered around the edges.

But we knew that already...

I like the policies of what they didn't do- stir up every third member of his base into a raging conservative war machine. I benefit personally by being allowed to live and work in relative peace. You're asking for a pony, and America has never awarded ponies to POCs. The best you can hope for is your human rights. Let's work toward bringing those back to at least where they were.

 

I am not going to discuss Clinton and Obama's policies. They have been discussed to death.

I do not want policies to benefit me personally. I want policies that benefit society as a whole.

I will not "personally benefit" from tuition-free (or debt-free) college, but I am a big supporter of it.

I do not personally benefit from comprehensive immigration reform or treating immigrants and asylum seekers humanely, but I support both.

I do not personally benefit from SSI or Medicaid, but I gladly acknowledge that a potion of my payroll supports both.

This idea that have to "personally benefit" from a policy to support is just about the most selfish thing I have read.

 

I'd say that I do benefit personally from a bunch of this stuff. I'm drawing SS, but long before I started, I benefitted from the absence of elders starving in the streets. I benefit from immigrants revitalizing the economy, I would benefit from a tuition free/debt free college structure in that an informed body politic could be sustained without the desperation and the resentment that is currently building against those of us who predated the problem-- that's me that is getting resented, and I resent it even as I understand it.

Metaphorically, the nation is my city, and I benefit from anything that benefits any part of it, not just my neighborhood. The potholes can dent my rims no matter whose street they are actually on...

 

Yes, exactly. I was thinking about adding the comment that we all indirectly benefit from policies that benefit society.

Thank you for your input.

 

Is this cultural appropriation?
https://www.zomercarnaval.org/

And a destructive thing to society as a whole as it invites corruption. This attitude in many southern countries is called clientelism and it's why those countries are hell holes for the unfortunate ones. The USA in a lot of points is very much like that.