Racism...Forever?

I hope telling them to "fuk off" was worth four years of the Donald.

 

Well, but the alternative is rather like negotiating with terrorists, isn't it?

Some three year olds just have to be allowed to break everything in sight in order to learn why they shouldn't...

 

Like they were going to vote any differently then... And even now, not so many...

Some people never outgrows those toddler years. Some people goes back to their toddler years when they're older. Some never learn not to break everything in sight.

 

Truth ain't conquering a god damned thing right now, is it? No.

POC: "I can't breathe/sure would be nice to travel to my GF's house without being profiled and goaded into a fight with an armed 'man' "/I'm a veteran- why can't I get my meal like every other veteran?"
Some voter or another who thinks themselves pragmatic: "Complaining is why you lost the election. Go bleed out where I can't see you and hope your survivors try to find common ground with us next time"

 

Yup.

For there to be some sort of equilibrium, we would truly need to live in another dimension where either Africans or Native Americans or East Asians traveled the world, colonized it, plundered it, invaded Europe and annihilated 90% of its population, enslaved other races purely on racial terms, set up predatory political and economic systems that solely benefited them, cultural systems that taught European/white racial inferiority, etc., etc.

We're so completely far away from that it's pretty mind-boggling. But hey, there's a Negro Scholarship Fund and no Caucasian Scholarship Fund, how in the world is that fair??

 

Hey!!! What are you implying? I'm sure you weren't referring to me but @NaughtiusMaximus and @usscouse may take offense.

 

Well the Mongols did try.

 

Ah yes, the racist history behind drug prohibition.

I only learned these things in grad school but it's still shocking at how SO many things in the US have a profoundly racist background. "The US was built on white supremacy" sounds pretty shocking but when you actually look at the history of things, it's fairly accurate.

 

Knew about Ms. Holiday. It still creates a pang of concern when I read about it again.

It gets implied here tie and again that the issue somehow lies with the law itself, rather than with the separatist thought processes that compel many individuals to decide to profile, pursue and prosecute some while looking the other way for others.

 

It's becoming clearer why there's such a gorge here between me and the rest of so many of you. You and Lou are two of the most reasonable people in this forum, yet neither of you knew about this until adulthood (him) or today (you). I knew the what and they why of this in middle school, and was told more in a non-major music course at my first ugrad school.

The lives some (most?) of these other folks lead, cloudsurfing without really even knowing what goes on daily all over the country, make it relatively easy to dismissively post "You must have a sad life" in response to posts about experiences with bigotry.

 

This is probably the first thing I have read that you have posted that I can generally assume is the truth.

 

That seems to imply that ALL white people set up the current political situation and have benefited from it. I can assure you that WAS not and IS not the case.

The vast majority of people in Europe have also lost out due to the policies and actions of the European aristocracy.

It's more accurate to say it's the system and the individuals of THAT that have been the problem.

 

That's true in a European sense.The American (North and South) Experience includes the subjugation of indigenous peoples ,forced importation of Africans,and tension between upper and lower class European colonizers which resolved by the invention of "whiteness" as an assurance that the lower class Europeans could maintain a sense of superiority.

 

Well that name sure is. I'd have a DNA test done, son. You might be related to Al B Sure

 

Well, I was talking more in terms of white Europeans, yes.

The number of people in Europe that actively supported or played a part in the slave trade would be tiny, (we had our own version of serfdom and indentured work that achieved similar economic aims), and the number in America and other colonies would be vastly higher, clearly.

But, in general, I just think it's important to concentrate on the political system employed rather than the race, creed, colour or nationality of the 'perpetrators' of a 'crime''.

 

There was an interesting TV show on the BBC a couple of years back about DNA records and it included various members of the public, one of whom was a member of the BNP,

He turned out to have had a black African great, great grandfather They even managed to trace his lineage back in the census record.

He wasn't best please

 

I think it's difficult for historically almost entirely white Europe to understand the vital role race played as a way to mediate class discrepancies between Europeans on the American continent.Religion would be the closest European proxy.

Honestly,even the altright recognizes what's occurred.They just are pissed that it's changing.

 

Hang on, we are talking historically, aren't we? That's what I'm talking about.

I mean, obviously, if they weren't actively involved, weren't tangentially involved and had no absolutely no say in it happening, (the poor didn't have a vote over here at that time, don't forget), it kinda does mean they weren't involved.

I suppose we can talk about them 'gaining' but then, as we've discussed before, that's the case where everybody who lives in the west, (of ALL races), have 'gained' from the 'attacks on the muslim world' that ISIS, et al, are complaining about.

It's kinda true I suppose but more in the form of a kind of cosmic karma. I'm not sure that's very helpful or, frankly, very logical.

 

They might have been pissed in the past, but I think they're elated atm that they've been able to change it back.

 

... and I don't even think it's arguable. Racism clearly has become more prevalent over the past, say 5-6 years.

As to the reasons why and what can be done about it, that's another matter. But the fact we seem to be going backwards atm... well, yeah!

 

Deadspin always points out the (mostly) old white dudes who insist on (mostly) black & latino players play the game the "right" way. You see this in baseball more than other sports. But here's a case of hockey commentator Mike Milbury (a horrible GM/executive for the Islanders BTW) dogging PK Subban for being too energetic in warmups:

This was, apparently, just too much for NBCSN broadcaster Mike Milbury. His comments over the camera’s view of Subban bopping around, as transcribed by SB Nation:

“He’s got a tremendous personality and sometimes you’ve got to keep it under control. I know it’s a new day and age and everybody wants to be on Instagram or Twitter. But you’ve got to keep focus. This is a tough game. When I see this I start to think maybe (Predators coach) Peter Laviolette ought to give him a rap on the head and say, ‘Hey P.K. focus in, we’ve got a game tonight and you don’t have to be a clown out there.’”

http://deadspin.com/broadcaster-mike-milbury-calls-p-k-subban-a-clown-wh-1794768409