[R] The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation [R]

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  1. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    You mean like the BPL in April sometimes when some teams have played more FA Cup matches? Lower leagues can get even worse. Lighten up, Francis...
     
  2. Ganapper

    Ganapper Member

    Apr 5, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation


    Because until probably is "clinched playoffs" I'll be on pins and needles.
     
  3. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    what do you mean? isn't FA Cup a knock out tournament? either you are in or out.
     
  4. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    I think Man U had 3 games in hand for a while last year. When teams keep advancing in all competitions, they start rescheduling league games, which means they've played less than many other teams in the league.
     
  5. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    This is purely anecdotal, so it's not what you wanted, but I had the 2007 numbers right here already, so ...
    Code:
    [B][u][SIZE="4"]2007[/SIZE][/u] - Projected vs Actual
    
         GP  W   L   D   PTS PPG   PRJ ACT DIF
    DCU  25  15  06  04  49  1.96  59  55  +7%
    NER  25  13  06  06  45  1.80  54  50  +8%
    CDC  23  13  06  04  43  1.87  56  53  +6%
    HOU  25  12  07  06  42  1.68  50  52  -3%
    FCD  24  12  09  03  39  1.63  49  44  +11%
    NYR  25  11  10  04  37  1.48  44  43  +3%
    KCW  25  10  09  06  36  1.44  43  40  +8%
    CHI  24  08  10  06  30  1.25  38  40  -6%
    CMB  25  06  09  10  28  1.12  34  37  -9%
    COL  24  07  10  07  28  1.17  35  35  0%
    TFC  24  05  13  06  21  0.88  26  25  +5%
    RSL  24  04  13  07  19  0.79  24  27  -12%
    LAG  21  04  12  05  17  0.81  24  34  -29%
    
                            Average Diff:  -1%
                            Average Diff (without LA): +1.5%
    
    ACT = Actual final points[/B]
    With each passing game you would expect the difference to diminish as the projection trended toward the actual.

    Like I said, it's purely anecdotal so for all I know it's a fluke. But I was actually surprised by that average difference.

    But it's obviously still pretty unreliable in any individual case even in this single instance.
     
  6. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Knave, good work here. But I wanted to say that the MN (and tragic, I'd expect) are all off because the teams aren't ranked correctly.

    The table should be ranked in terms of points possible (not current) points for clinching scenarios. It doesn't matter what they have now, only what they can have at the end. NE being the problem: only 5 teams can hit 54+, so a team doesn't need 55 to clinch, they only need 50, as only 8 teams can max out above 50.

    For instance, the Crew's MN is 8 (49-42+1) not 13 (54-42+1). Peace.
     
  7. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Yes, I saw your earlier comment about the mis-ranking. Didn't show up as an issue last time I did this, but as you note New England is throwing things off this time. The magic number should be calculated on the basis of the 9th highest max points potential. I already fixed it in my spreadsheet. So the next update ...

    But isn't the 9th highest MPP RSL's 51. So the Crew's M# is actually 10. No?

    The tragic number is unaffected because that is based on actual current points.
     
  8. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Cool.

    I have RSL at 49 max: 34 current + 15 points possible = 49. They are 9-9-7 for 25 GP. Same as TFC, and one better than DC.
     
  9. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Found it. I was missing a draw for RSL. In fact, I'm thinking I must have originally omitted the entire RSL-Chicago game. Someone pointed out the Chicago error, which I fixed. Should have checked the RSL numbers before assuming the Chicago error was just typo.
    Code:
    [B][U]         GP  GR W   D   L   PTS PPG   PRJ MPP M#  T#  SSE#[/u]
    01  CMB  24  6  11  09  04  42  1.75  53  60  08  25  19
    02  HOU  26  4  11  07  08  40  1.54  46  52  10  17  11
    03  CHI  25  5  10  09  06  39  1.56  47  54  11  19  13
    04  LAG  25  5  09  11  05  38  1.52  46  53  12  18  12
    05  SEA  25  5  09  10  06  37  1.48  44  52  13  17  11
    06  CDC  23  7  11  03  09  36  1.57  47  57  14  22  16
    07  COL  24  6  10  06  08  36  1.50  45  54  14  19  13
    08  DCU  26  4  08  12  06  36  1.38  42  48  14  13  07
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    09  RSL  25  5  09  07  09  34  1.36  41  49  16  14  08
    10  TFC  25  5  09  07  09  34  1.36  41  49  16  14  08
    11  NER  23  7  09  06  08  33  1.43  43  54  17  19  13
    12  KCW  24  6  07  06  11  27  1.13  34  45  23  10  04
    13  FCD  24  6  07  06  11  27  1.13  34  45  23  10  04
    14  SJE  22  8  05  05  12  20  0.91  27  44  30  09  03
    [COLOR="SlateGray"]15  NYR  25  5  04  04  17  16  0.64  19  31  34  -04  -10[/COLOR]
    
    GP = Games Played | GR = Games Remaining | PPG = Points Per Game
    PRJ = Projected = PTS + (GR x PPG)
    MPP = Max Points Possible = PTS + (3 x GR)
    M# = Magic Number = (9th Highest MPP) – PTS + 1
    T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (8th Highest PTS) + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 
    
    - Sorted by PTS, then PPG.
    - Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs.[/B]
    Code:
    [B][U]Pace: Deviation from 3 at home, 1 on the road[/U]
    
    [U]     GP  HW HD HL AW AD AL PCE[/U]
    CMB  24  8  4  0  3  5  4  -06
    CDC  23  8  1  2  3  2  7  -09
    CHI  25  4  4  4  6  5  2  -10
    HOU  26  7  4  1  4  3  7  -10
    LAG  25  4  4  4  5  7  1  -11
    NER  23  6  3  3  3  3  5  -14
    COL  24  8  3  2  2  3  6  -14
    SEA  25  6  5  2  3  5  4  -14
    DCU  26  6  5  1  2  7  5  -14
    TFC  25  7  3  3  2  4  6  -17
    RSL  25  7  5  1  2  2  8  -17
    KCW  24  3  3  5  4  3  6  -19
    FDC  24  5  4  3  2  2  8  -21
    SJE  22  5  3  4  0  2  8  -26
    NYR  25  4  3  6  0  1  11 -35
    
    Sorted by PCE, then least GP.[/B]
    
    Code:
    [B][U]Remaining League Schedule[/U]
    
    CDC: @SEA, NYR, @DCU, KCW, SJE, @CHI, HOU
    CHI: CMB, TFC, @LAG, @NER, CDC
    CMB: @CHI, LAG, SEA, @NER, @DCE, NER
    COL: @SJE, SJE, @KCW, NER, @FCD, @RSL
    DCU: SJE, CDC, CMB, @KCW
    FCD: @KCW, RSL, NER, @SJE, COL, @SEA
    HOU: RSL, KCW, LAG, @CDC
    KCW: FCD, COL, @HOU, @CDC, SEA, DCU
    LAG: TFC, @CMB, CHI, @HOU, SJE
    NER: @NYR, SEA, @FCD, @COL, CMB, CHI, @CMB
    NYR: NER, @CDC, @SJE, @RSL, TFC
    RSL: @HOU, @FCD, NYR, @TFC, COL
    SEA: CDC, @NER, @CMB, @KCW, FCD
    TFC: @LAG, @CHI, SJE, RSL, @NYR[/B]
    
    As always, please point any errors.
     
  10. ianai

    ianai Member

    Aug 18, 2007
    Hampton, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    +1 on to the OP...Thanks!

    I really like that there looks to be some tasty matches on the fiinal week of play. Teams with nothing to play for that will have a legitimate chance of ruining it for someone else.

    There may be three or four of these match-ups as none of the current bottom-table teams play each other. KC, Hoops, Bulls and SJ all play teams who will likely be fighting for a final spot. Not to say KCW and FCD are out yet, but it's looking more and more likely.

    The SJ vs. LAG is unlikely to be important, though who knows after last weeks humiliation at the hands of Dallas. If that wasn't an anomaly this could prove an incredibly interesting match. You know SJ would consider the season salvaged if they bumped LAG from the playoffs ;)
     
  11. Nidal Baba Superstar

    Sep 20, 2006
    Far away
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Man, Knave, nice work here, but who cares about all these stats?

    2009 is over. People who are stuck in the 2000s are just sad.

    The 2010s are upon us: get ready or get out.

    RBNY/Cosmos/Metro: a club of the future.

    2009: a year of the past.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Tragic Numbers
     
  13. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Could be worse!

    What are you talking about? You've got lots to look forward to this year!

    Heck, the MetroRedBullRotMasterStars could clinch this weekend.

    And by clinch I mean last place.
     
  14. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    20 days since our last league match, in the middle of a season, any time during the season, equals an absurd amount of time between games.
     
  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Geez, where do I start.

    Actually, 2010 is still the decade of the 2000's. You see, the next decade starts with a 1.

    2000 wasn't the millennium, 2001 was.
     
  16. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Knave, you're missing SJE's remaining schedule.

    SJE: COL, @COL, @DCU, NYR, FCD, @TOR, CDC, LAG
     
  17. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Does anyone know the tiebreaking procedure if 3 or more teams are tied on points? I loooked a little but I can't find it.
     
  18. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Via MLSNet:

    8) The first tiebreaker in a three-way tie is also head-to-head, but it is determined via points-per-game versus the other two teams. If two teams are tied in points-per-game head-to-head, the next tie breaker is goal difference.
     
  19. Justin O

    Justin O Member+

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Nov 30, 1998
    on the run from the covid
    Club:
    Seattle
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Thanks. Interesting that if two teams are tied after this it goes to goal differential, rather than head-to-head between those teams, as it would if it was a a two-way tie between those teams on points.
     
  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Whoops! Thanks, I'll fix that with the next update.

    Looks the same as in the past, which IIRC is a bit tricky. Let's say DCU, the Revs and Toronto are tied for the last two spots at 45 points. So you set up a head to head table between all those teams and going through the tie-breakers, Toronto comes out on top with the Revs in second and DCU in third. So Toronto gets the seventh spot. But for the last spot you then have to discard the original table and set up a new table just between the Revs and DCU. It's actually quite possible that in this new head to head that DCU will top the Revs once you go through the tie-breakers, which means that DCU would get the nod even though on the three-way head to head they were the third worst team.
     
  21. jd6885

    jd6885 Member

    Jun 30, 2001
    Tacoma
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Half the fun is obsessing and hyperventilating with September Madness!

    And thanks for the work Knave. I would've given ya some rep, but "gotta spread..."
     
  22. jd6885

    jd6885 Member

    Jun 30, 2001
    Tacoma
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    +1 lol!

    Don't take it so bad little fella. You'll be in it next year.
     
  23. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Things didn't change much after last night aside from RSL and Toronto blowing their advantage over DCU. So I didn't rush to do an update. But I'll post one after today's game.
     
  24. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    Only real change that I can see is that both FC Dallas and San Jose have been mathematically eliminated from winning the Supporter's Shield. It may not have been possible anyway due to schedule, but it's now completely official.

    I was curious if it was possible for DC to win their remaining 4 games and still not make the playoffs due to New England having more games in hand and therefore a higher MPP. However, due to New England's two games against Columbus and one against Chicago, I couldn't work out any scenario where DC was eliminated.
     
  25. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Re: The 2009 Playoff Race – Magic Numbers, Tragic Numbers & Other Assorted Obfuscation

    If the question last week was how screwed is DCU, the question this week is how screwed are RSL and TFC. RSL and TFC really needed wins to make a push for the 8th spot. Both lost. Now RSL and TFC have not merely lost the small game-in-hand advantage they had over DCU, but now DCU has kept its points advantage over them.

    DC United also needed NER to lose, but NER drew with NYR. Yes, NER could have given itself a huge boost with a win. But don’t dismiss that draw (even if it was against the lowly NYR) because with it NER maintained its -14 pace, which sounds terrible but which is actually even with DCU. NER is still very strongly in the running to take the 8th spot.

    Still, if there was a definite winner this week, it was DCU. DCU needed a lifeline, TFC and RSL threw one to them. The question now is whether DCU is capable of grabbing that lifeline.

    The SS race seems awfully close to being settled.

    Finally, SJE has a lot of games left (7). I'm thinking they're going to spoil somebody's playoff hopes. Will it be COL, DCU or TOR?
    Code:
    [B][U]         GP  GR W   D   L   PTS PPG   PRJ MPP M#  T#  SSE#[/u]
    01  CMB  25  5  11  10  04  43  1.72  52  58  06  23  16
    02  HOU  27  3  12  07  08  43  1.59  48  52  06  17  10
    03  LAG  26  4  10  11  05  41  1.58  47  53  08  18  11
    04  CHI  26  4  10  10  06  40  1.54  46  52  09  17  10
    05  SEA  26  4  09  11  06  38  1.46  44  50  11  15  08
    06  CDC  24  6  11  04  09  37  1.54  46  55  12  20  13
    07  COL  25  5  10  07  08  37  1.48  44  52  12  17  10
    08  DCU  26  4  08  12  06  36  1.38  42  48  13  13  06
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    09  NER  24  6  09  07  08  34  1.42  43  52  15  17  10
    10  RSL  26  4  09  07  10  34  1.31  39  46  15  11  04
    11  TFC  26  4  09  07  10  34  1.31  39  46  15  11  04
    12  KCW  25  5  08  06  11  30  1.20  36  45  19  10  03
    13  FCD  25  5  07  06  12  27  1.08  32  42  22  07  00
    14  SJE  23  7  05  06  12  21  0.91  27  42  28  07  00
    [COLOR="SlateGray"]15  NYR  26  4  04  05  17  17  0.65  20  29  32  -06 -13 [/COLOR]
    
    GP = Games Played | GR = Games Remaining | PPG = Points Per Game
    PRJ = Projected = PTS + (GR x PPG)
    MPP = Max Points Possible = PTS + (3 x GR)
    M# = Magic Number = (9th Highest MPP) – PTS + 1
    T# = Tragic Number = MPP – (8th Highest PTS) + 1
    SSE# = SS Elimination Number = MPP - (1st Place PTS) + 1 
    
    - Sorted by PTS, then fewest GP.
    - Teams in [COLOR="SlateGray"]gray[/COLOR] have been eliminated from the playoffs.[/B]
    Code:
    [B][U]Pace: Deviation from 3 at home, 1 on the road[/U]
    
    [U]         GP  PTS HG  AG  HW HD HL AW AD AL PCE[/U]
    01  CMB  25  43  12  13  8  4  0  3  6  4  -06
    02  CDC  24  37  11  13  8  1  2  3  3  7  -09
    03  HOU  27  43  13  14  8  4  1  4  3  7  -10
    04  LAG  26  41  13  13  5  4  4  5  7  1  -11
    05  CHI  26  40  13  13  4  5  4  6  5  2  -12
    06  NER  24  34  12  12  6  3  3  3  4  5  -14
    07  COL  25  37  13  12  8  3  2  2  4  6  -14
    08  DCU  26  36  12  14  6  5  1  2  7  5  -14
    09  SEA  26  38  14  12  6  6  2  3  5  4  -16
    10  RSL  26  34  13  13  7  5  1  2  2  9  -18
    11  TFC  26  34  13  13  7  3  3  2  4  7  -18
    12  KCW  25  30  12  13  4  3  5  4  3  6  -19
    13  FCD  25  27  12  13  5  4  3  2  2  9  -22
    14  SJE  23  21  13  10  5  4  4  0  2  8  -28
    15  NYR  26  17  14  12  4  4  6  0  1  11 -37
    
    Sorted by PCE, then fewest GP.[/B]
    
    Code:
    [B][U]Remaining League Schedule[/U]
    
    CDC: NYR, @DCU, KCW, SJE, @CHI, HOU
    CHI: TFC, @LAG, @NER, CDC
    CMB: LAG, SEA, @NER, @DCE, NER
    COL: SJE, @KCW, NER, @FCD, @RSL
    DCU: SJE, CDC, CMB, @KCW
    FCD: RSL, NER, @SJE, COL, @SEA
    HOU: KCW, LAG, @CDC
    KCW: COL, @HOU, @CDC, SEA, DCU
    LAG: @CMB, CHI, @HOU, SJE
    NER: SEA, @FCD, @COL, CMB, CHI, @CMB
    NYR: @CDC, @SJE, @RSL, TFC
    RSL: @FCD, NYR, @TFC, COL
    SEA: @NER, @CMB, @KCW, FCD
    SJE: @COL, @DCU, NYR, FCD, @TOR, CDC, LAG
    TFC: @CHI, SJE, RSL, @NYR[/B]
    
    If you see any errors, please note them in this thread.
     

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