Miren, han llegado muchas veces, pero el America no ha ganado ni una, solo Nacional y Once Caldas. Ahora Deportivo Quito tiene una copa, aunque 20 agnos despues que nosotros, si nuestro futbol no evoluciona, no vamos a llegar lejos. Que se tiene que hacer? La Copa Colombia sera buena manera de probar la juventud? Mas dinero? La economia de Colombia ayudara a contratar mas jugadores si los clubs tienen mas dinero? Por favor! Tenemos que progresar!
pa volver a ser campeon de libertadores se necesita tner un arquero tan horrible o mas q henao e higuita...............el prono es horrible pero le fantan mechas lergas si no saldria campeon el chico
falta formar una base de jugadores buenos, que tengan buena educacion y no se crean campeones por ganarle a boquita en fase de grupos o algo por el estilo.
La clave es invertir en el equipo. Obviamente eso depende de las decisiones de los directivos y en parte es influenciado por el desempeno economico del pais. Pero miren al A.Nal que lo tentaron mas 2 millones por Aldo que pelear Libertadores y miren como salio. Hay que recuperar los equipos armados para el largo plazo y acabar con esta remezon cada seis meses. Tambien me parece que hay que crear un ambiente propicio para la permanencia de los talentos jovenes en el pais. Hay demasiado empresario de pacotilla endulzandoles el oido y llevandoselos a cualquier liga de medio pelo, lo cual no seria posible si los directivos colombianos fueran serios y no pagaran salarios de hambre y evadieran impuestos y demas (no digo que a todos les paguen mal, pero si a los que estan apenas empezando). Otro factor a tomar en cuenta, es que en un torneo como la Libertadores que es basicamente de eliminacion directa, pesa mucho ser un buen local y en general los equipos colombianos son regularcitos en casa. Creo que en los ultimos años el unico local fuerte ha sido Cucuta y miren hasta donde llego, de resto todos se dejan arrancar puntos en casa y al final esa es la diferencia.
Creo que se necesita un poco de experiencia... el futbol colombiano no es tan malo como a veces pensamos. Creo que la differencia esta en la mentalidad y estilo de juego que se debe apilcar. Los que ganan una y otra copa muchas veces no juegan bonito. Lo que trato de decir es que con un estilo defensivo de contragolpe, jugadores que el culito no les "achi" cuando vean al frente un equipo brasileros ni argentino. Ni mucho menos cuando sepan que estan jugando en semifinales y en finales. En resumidas cuentas, fuerza mental con un poco de experiencia, la tactica correcta dependiendo del partido, y un equipo que tenga hambre. Es que uno ve nuestros equipos jugar y a veces da pena ajena....
Se necesita darle continuidad a los DT's y no vender los jugadores tan pronto......por lo menos dejarlos competir en la Copa despues de haber salido campeones......y ademas de eso se necesita un poco de fortuna tambien.
La verdad me parece que no es tan dificil que un equipo colombiano gane una libertadores, el nivel de nuestra liga es bueno comparado con la mayoria de sudamerica, y eso se ha reflejado con las recientes campañas del Cucuta en Libertadores y de Millos en Sudamericana. Es muy posible que algun equipo de Colombia clasifique a la libertadores y que el equipo este bien armado en el semestre necesario (no estoy hablando de refuerzos caros sino de que los jugadores esten en buena forma y que el tecnico tenga bien definido su esquema tactico). Esto aunque no es facil, hay un buen chance de que pueda pasar nuestros clubes no son ricos pero tampoco son pobres, y es muy posible armar un equipo competitivo que se pueda llevar la libertadores, ademas la victoria del once no fue hace tanto tiempo, algun club puede volver a sorprender. P.S. Mr. Paisa el que gano la libertadores no fue el Deportivo Quito, fue La Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito.
Muy de acuerdo con vos. Creo que el problema ahora aparte de la mentalidad, es algo que vos mencionaste, la falta de continuidad tanto del tecnico como de los jugadores. O sea a veces el tecnico que queda campeon se va y al equipo lo desmantelan. Que se puede esperar de un tecnico nuevo con un equipo nuevo y mas en algo como la libertadores. Es graciosos porque antes los equipos se armaban la libertadores. Ahora se desarman antes de ella y todo porque necesitan plata. Continuidad es supremamente importante.
we got to not get screwed over by refs and the Comenbol that game against Boca in argentina where there was no visibilty was bullshit !!!, and if it wasnt for that game colombia would have 3 But Colombia needs more serious players, officals, and management. We have the talent and can win it as we have done it 2 times we just need to have better management and not be like omg we are in the semi's now lets sell these 3 players or talk about how Udinese wants them and ******** with these guys heads b4 big matchs. Agents need to learn to shut the fuk up b4 the tournie is done, so we dont have guys thinking about europe or bigger clubs when they should be worried about winning the next game. I think Millos could have also won the sudamericana but that tournie is a joke cause America, River, Boca shouldnt be allowed in that tournie biggest teams in the americas and playing against bottom feeder clubs... its a joke
ya agreed. we should have 3 cups under our belt if it wasnt for the corruption that occured during that 2nd leg in buenos aires. We just need some consistency with our good teams. teams like nacional needs to build up teams and not dismantle them in short periods of time. we build great teams and they end up lasting only a year because everyone gets greedy. ive said it numerous times and ill say it again, colombia needs its own version of boca (nacional) and river (millos). teams that will constantly always be big and challenging for continental and domestic glory. right now its like any team in colombia can win the league. i mean look at the teams that have won the league in the past couple years, a newly promoted cucuta? now a team like boyaca chico fc ( a team thats only been around for 5 years!) . that sort of rubbish needs to change! the other thing that needs to change is that only ghetto guys are professional footballers in our country. why is that? because players here earn such ************ wages. if we had teams that actually paid players good money we would have more than just ghetto guys playing professional football. i mean its sad but its the truth, no one ever mentions it.
Colombian league pays better than the MLS haha any way I agree with the players being too unprofessional boo hoo you where poor when you grew up get over it, and grow up already you are being payed to play a game something almost anyone would love to do. I agree with you that Colombian teams do well in the league then decide to sell everyone We would have done better if last season Nacional didnt sell aldo 2 weeks b4 COpa Lib and bought 1 striker, I say they could have taken it last season because they made in out of the 1st round in a hard group with a team that was almost dead last in colombia Millos made it to the semis with a team that was almost dead last in colombia, but as soon as they hit the semis it was bedoya, Cici ,Estrada , Blandon are wanted by this team in mexico, this team in argentina and then they play like shit in the semis they stay in colombia and are eliminated (our media needs to shut the fuk up during tournies) Cucuta lost bernal 2 weeks b4 copa lib because they sold just about everyone and only left him with like 13 pros b4 the season. They had to get a new coach and still did ok but Cucuta with Bernal and Bustos who has failed in Brazil would have have gone alot farther Its really our media and club management who try to sell players during tournies and giving them big heads, our players for being unprofessional, and a little has to do that our tournies are designed for the final to be Argentina vs Brazil, the refs try to help that final as well
I completely disagree with you that there should be a oligarchy. That is really detrimental to soccer in general. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I like our system that allows teams to go Libertadores outside of the "big" teams. It welcomes competition which means that the other teams have to run a tighter ship. I mean look at Chico. The didn't do well in pre-libertadores because they had brought in a lot of new players. But I really like how Chico and Equidad are organized as a club. That's the real reason why they've been succesful. I don't think having a Nacional always going will makes us sucessful in copa libertadores ever. Mainly cause if you look at Chile or even Peru they have less Copa libertadores and usually it's the same teams who win. So that won't guarantee better results. I feel what will guarantee better results is stability in the teams. I mean if Chico keeps the players they have now for next Libertadores they'll do really well. Equidad should be winning a championship in the next year or two if they continue down the same path. I mean you have to sell players but there is always this base that has to kep in order for the team to function. So again its more about continuity of a team and coach and something that our players are starting to have is a strong mentality. We've lacked that and that has hurt us badly when playing libertadores. When we're able to combine a team that knows how to play well together and has a a strong mentality we'll have another libertadores until then we'll just keep participating.
I agree only if we were like Argentina where there's about 5-6 really competitive teams lately, 1 or 2 surprise teams and teams that are always in the 7-9 slots on a on-going basis.....But they get to be good because there's depth in talent, more money and better youth systems than in Colombia. I wish we had a league with a River, a Boca, a Estudiantes, a Lanus, a Velez, etc etc........We're just too mediocre to have 8 solid teams like some people believe. I got a problem when the 8th team has either won a championship or made it to the finals on more than one occassion. That's not a good sign for me.
really because chico's results in copa libertadores this year speak for themselves. if they were anywhere near as good as a cucuta or once caldas style team then i would agree with you. but they just arent. that "oligarchy" as you put it is what makes the best leagues in the world what they are. epl? 4-6 top teams with all the other pretenders. la iga? same thing, italia, france, nederlands, argentina, brasil etc. all have it.what do you think makes them the most exciting leagues in the world? all the pretenders getting shock wins against the manchesters, the real madrids, the barcelonas, the milans etc. but we dont even have that here because its all just a big mess. theres no room for upsets because everyone knows that anyone can beat anyone. theres no defiance against the odds here. there are no odds. What colombia needs is truly iconic teams. how is having inconsistency in a league year after year healthy? thats exactly why our infrastructure is as bad as it is. our teams cant grow financially because we sell the whole ship everytime we get remotely close to some sort of success. Ultimately thats really what all this is about, our infrastructure.
The top teams in EPL, La Liga, or Serie A spend millions of Euros to get that top talent and that's why they win. Even then it doesn't guarantee that they're going to win anything , after all there can only be one champion. The other thing is that those top teams aren't made the countries top players. Inter is like 99.9% argentinian (exaggerating but you get my point). EPL wasn't Chelsea (don't remember which team exactly) at one point not even playing with any Brits? Basically those top teams win cause they buy the best players from other countries. Since our teams can't afford to buy the best players nor keep their great players for too long the next best thing is what you mentioned having an organized infrastructure. It's so funny cause I look at Colombian football and there is no long term vision nor planning. It's like bring a coach in he loses 3 games he's out. That's why we haven't won a libertadores. I don't have any statistics but I think that many teams that have won libertadores are teams that have a player base that knows each other and plays well together. Chico was a perfect example of what happens without any continuity. They couldn't even beat audax chileno. If they are able to keep their base of players for copa libertadores next year I think they will do well. But if they do what they did this year and get a bunch of new players it'll take time before they start playing well together and they'll get eliminated first round.
then we all agree, we need to set-up foundations for rich colombians to donate money in the USA to the clubs playing the libertadores so they can bring in stronger players
solo se necesita que no desmantelen al equipo cuando juegen libertadores en el caso de que gane un equipo sin dinero, y si es un equipo con dinero pues que se refuerze bien, pero ni eso pasa porque hasta los equipos con dinero se desmantelan nacional vendio a aldo una de las piezas claves del equipo y no trajeron a algien mejor y esa vaina no se hace, lo de cucuta era entendible un equipo sin dinero pero podian retener los jugadores para jugar libertadores, o que vuelva el dinero del narcotrafico
bueno los dos equipos de cali se estan empezando a ver buenos pa la sudamericana, que pesar que se tienen que autoeliminar
siguiendo con mi cantaleta de la falta de continuidad El Chico ya va a tener que salir de Caneo, o sea que adios para la proxima libertadores. Lo tienen que vender, El chico no tiene plata....
how being champion cant they get a sponsor !!!!! I mean come on..... even bucaramanga has one !!! Why dont they get aguila that wants to sponsor all our clubs
I do not think that the only problem is sponsors Crzd. I think that Pimentel is not very happy with the agreement with Boyaca and is trying to find a way back to Bogota. A way to get the other side to break the deal they have is to claim that the town is not profitable and that because of that he has to cut costs, getting rid of their best players. And I am also very suspiciuous of Pimentel, because apparently he gets a percentage of the transfer and apparently there are like 3 offers from Argentina.