QF Match 25: USA-ECU - ROLDAN (COL)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Thursday June 16, 2016 - 9:30 (EDT) - Seattle
    Referee: Wilmar Roldan

    Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzman
    Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Navarro
    Fourth Official: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)

    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032251/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    So far as I can tell, Mr. Roldan has generated no commentary in the Copa -- anyone know his reputation, tendencies, whatever?

    He does not appear afraid to issue cards:

    http://us.soccerway.com/referees/wilmar-roldan/115331/

    . . . for the US that could be an issue if they win as they have several players at risk for a semis accumulation suspension . . .
     
  3. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Country:
    United States
    um, what just happened?
     
    oxwof repped this.
  4. Vinnydabody

    Vinnydabody Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I guess Jones got the red for the hand to the face of Valencia? :confused:
     
  5. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Well this match just got interesting. 52' 2nd Yellow to Ecuador for a kick out, then a red to Jermaine Jones for what looks like a hand to the face in the aftermath of the foul.
     
  6. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    Did they show why Jones was shown a straight red? I saw why Valencia deserved the second yellow.
     
  7. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    J. Jones makes his hand into somewhat of a fist, and brings it up to the Ecuadorian's face, making a little contact.
     
  8. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    What in the world? I'm watching this in a bar with no sound and couldn't follow that. What happened?
     
  9. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    Didn't come close to a face.
     
    BTFOOM repped this.
  10. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    What the heck just happened?
     
  11. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    I have a very hard time believing thats a red to Jones.
     
  12. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    yes, Jones was a direct red.

    The yellow on Wood is an interesting talking point though since he restarted the match before the players were off the field, and then went back and did the restart over...with a freekick to Ecuador when the original foul was on Ecuador. Or did I totally miss something. It was hard to tell since they were showing us all sorts of replays
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    Plus they restarted play before Jones had left the field.
     
  14. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    There was no contact from the replay I saw. Not even close, he got restrained well before that came close to the face.
     
  15. annoyingracoon01

    Aug 29, 2014
    Chicago
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Country:
    United States
    FOX's "rules expert" Dr.Joe says it's becauss of the hand to the face.
     
  16. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    Is that the kind of thing that is appealable?
     
  17. Dom. FC

    Dom. FC Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Central US
    For no more than he did it could just as well be reported as "Reduce to equate"?
     
  18. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Dr. Joe, for what it's worth, agrees with the straight red to Jones for contact to the face.
     
  19. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Whole exchange doesn't happen if he would have kept it just a little tighter...

    I guess the straight red came from the AR- who can say if his threshold for red is the same and the center's?
     
  20. smitha96

    smitha96 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    In the post-foul skuffle, Jones puts his hand in a loosely closed fist and gently strikes or attempts to strike an opponent.

    Soft? Yes. But it's still a red card.
     
  21. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    There must have been a replay I didn't see (my wife is making me watch parts of Lip Synch Battle as this goes down).
     
  22. oxwof

    oxwof Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    On one replay, I thought it looked like light contact.
     
  23. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Country:
    United States
    Jones is such a hot head. That foul was easily going to be a 2nd yellow, you're about to be up 11 v 10, and you go and bop the other guy in the face. Was it a hard punch? No, not at all. But you can't do that! FIFA has been pretty clear about their feelings about contact above the shoulders when the ball is out of play for years now. I just... baffling decision by Jones.
     
  24. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    How does Wood get a yellow (and play restart for that matter) with Jones still on the field?
     
    msilverstein47 repped this.
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Country:
    United States
    Anyone thinking red on that yellow to Ecuador #4 just now? That boot was crazy high.
     

Share This Page