Qatar 2022

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
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  2. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want to see this just to see the shitstorm that comes from it. FIFA deserves nothing less being the bloated sack of crap that it is...
     
  3. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Does this means that China gets all FIFA tournaments (Club WC, etc) along with 2022 WC?

    Different time zone from Qatar, but AFC gets to keep its extra WC slot.
     
  4. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Hold 2022 in a place where an expanded 48 team tournament could be held (probably Europe but consider a Spain/Portugal/Morrocco tournament). That way FIFA gets an early expansion. Compensate AFC by ensuring 2030 is open only to AFC nations (or combinations of AFC nations).

    I still believe that 2022 will go ahead as planned in Qatar.
     
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  5. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep it in Asia and have China or Australia take it. Maybe throw NZ a group stage group since OFC will never host one with an Aussie Cup.
     
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Can China or Australia get everything (Stadium renovation, infrastructure, security, hotel and accommodations, Team training sites etc.) done in 3 years time?

    I think in cases like this the least possible risk is a place that can hold it in a moment's notice. England or Germany are probably the best candidates on such short notice.
     
  7. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Will CONMBEBOL go along with two UEFA World Cups in a row? The four consecutive UEFA championships has to be setting South American teeth on edge.

    I like the Aussie-Kiwi idea. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak (okay, just one that's a bird). One would think the infrastructure is already there, but Almango or our other Aussie friends would know better than me.
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't think CONMEBOL cares much.
    And having the matches start during Euro times would be much better for the TV Networks/Sponsors and fans than waking up at odd times in the middle of the night.
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Just looking at the bid they originally submitted to FIFA there has to be major renovations to many of their proposed stadiums. Some of which are too small at current capacity to host.
    A couple stadiums not even created yet.
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Also according to the Australia bid they said they needed 5 years to have all those Stadium renovations completed.

    Sounds too risky to me.
     
  11. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rumors/speculation out of Panama (i.e. Facebook posts by their national TV channels w/o any sources) is that FIFA are considering bumping North America up to 2022.

    If that were to be seriously considered, it would mean significant pressure on Mexico and Canada to get their stadia ready (or simply go with 2 venues each instead of 3). As well, would this mean that fast-tracked WC expansion is back on?
     
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  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Just let the USA host 2022 like it should have been in the first place.;)
    England in 2026.
     
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  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #3288 HomietheClown, Jun 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
    Whatever they do they have to decide things quick because Qualifying schedules must be changed very soon.
    For South America it would mean starting this September if they decide to change it back to a Summer World Cup.

    If they keep it a Winter World Cup then that means the USA would be relegated to hosting matches in California (maybe up to 3 stadiums there), Arizona, maybe Vegas, Florida (3 stadiums there), Texas (A couple stadiums there), Atlanta.

    That is 11 stadiums to choose from with decent climates and/or domes off the top of my head.
    :D
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    But then again the NFL would conflict so Summer World Cup is the best bet.
    Or Europe as I said before.
     
  15. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really: only November 2021 would have to be vacated for the intercontinental playoffs, so Conmebol could simply start this November. The 9 FIFA windows:

    Nov 2019
    Mar 2020
    Sep 2020
    Oct 2020
    Nov 2020
    Mar 2021
    June 2021
    Sep 2021
    Oct 2021

    With June 2020 set apart for the next Copa América. It would also save South American Feds the hassle of having to cancel friendlies that are already booked, or scheduling new ones for November.
     
  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Good point.
    But my general point of them having to decide soon still stands if CONMEBOL have to change the schedule to November of this year.
     
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  17. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Another issue is that the existing venues all cater for other sports as well that use those stadia on a weekly basis in June/July. In Sydney the old football stadium near the CBD has just been demolished and may not be rebuilt in time. The Olympic stadium is planned to go offline for some major renovations next year and will be out of action for a couple of years, and the new stadium that replaced the Parramatta stadium looks good on TV but only has a capacity of 30,000. A new stadium opened this year in Perth. Plenty of capacity but its an oval stadium. Melbourne's two largest stadia are both oval, with the rectangular football stadium only having a 30,000 capacity. Adelaide Oval has undergone a major upgrade, but again its oval shaped. Brisbane has a good stadium. Newcastle has had renovations but the last stage to bring it up to FIFA standards hasn't started yet. Canberra has a tired older stadium and they are still discussing what to do about it. Geelong was mentioned in the bid but the stadium there is oval and I don't think any work has progressed on it. As you can see of the planned work in the bid some has progressed but generally at a slower pace without a 2022 deadline, and other items are still in planning stage or have been shelved.
     
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  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Australia is out of it.

    England, Germany. USA are the only ones I can see being ready so soon and still have TV Networks happy with the Time Zones.
     
  19. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    And most importantly, China has 9 stadiums ready to go: 50k+ seating, in use during 2019 Chinese Super League.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Chinese_Super_League#Stadiums_and_Locations

    2022 WC can remain within AFC without sacrificing infrastructure requirements.
     
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  20. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Portugal/Spain would be good to go as well on short notice.

    There are options, and it seems FIFA is leaning towards them.
     
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  21. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    I would say China is option 1 and Spain/Portugal is option 2.

    We visited China on the way to Russia 2018. Their infrastructure is amazing and they are still building like crazy. Bullet trains, lots of great hotels, and lots of sights to see. I would enjoy going back. It looks like they have enough stadiums already, but I bet they could build a couple more faster than any other country, if needed.
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Remember, China are hosting the 2023 Asian Cup. As part of that commitment they are already working on stadium infrastructure.

    That said, I don't see Qatar losing the World Cup. FIFA doesn't want to deal with the waves of lawsuits that would follow (probably in multiple jurisdictions). Otherwise this would have happened years ago.
     
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  23. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see Qatar losing it either but if they were to take it away China would and should be the first option. They have the stadiums now unlike Australia would need to build. If not China than moving up the North American WC would be ideal. America could host the whole thing tomorrow if needed. After that and last resort would be another European WC. Most western European countries could also host with little notice.
     
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  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    China may be an option but not an optimal one for Television Networks and Sponsors.

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  25. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017

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