Qatar 2022

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    4AM is the standard time for a World Cup final kickoff here in Australia (or Champions League, or any other major game). At least I can watch the game before I head off to work on a Monday morning. Our 3 games in the Confed Cup all kick off at 1AM Sydney time. This is just standard if you want to watch international football in Sydney.
     
  2. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Of course, this is only a hypothetical argument as there wont be a World Cup in Australia during my lifetime.
     
  3. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope that's not true. But I agree there are factors lining up against it. However, Australia/NZ have stadiums and are wealthy enough countries to pull it off properly. I'm still very hopeful I'll get to see one there in my lifetime, and I don't have that many WCs left.
     
  4. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    A cursory look at the wikipedia page suggests that China could be ready at the drop of the hat. 28 stadiums of the right size virtually all of them under ten years old or renovated.
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    lol Sounds bad, although on weekdays I would still prefer what you have over what I have. On the east coast of North America almost all football happens during the work-day. I thought the Brasil WC would be different, but nope, most matches kicked-off between 11h00 and 15h00. For Russia’18 it’ll be 9h00 and 13h00 for the knockout rounds. I’d prefer kick off times in the middle of the night over that.
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  7. Abram Jones

    Abram Jones Member

    Jun 18, 2016
    Wisconsin (WI)
    Qatar is ranked higher than many other countries that have hosted the FIFA World Cup!



    *all Middle Eastern nations and nations that have hosted or are scheduled to host the FIFA World Cup are listed below (including football tournaments at the Summer Olympics and Intercalated Games before the FIFA World cup)


    ALL TIME RANK (year initiated into wealth and population adjusted Elo ratings)
    • #3: Uruguay (1922)
    • #4: Brazil (1922)
    • #7: Argentina (1922)
    • #12: Spain (1922)
    • #28: Italy (1920)
    • #30: England (1872)
    • #32: Chile (1924)
    • #33: Germany (1922) note: this includes West Germany
    • #41: Mexico (1934)
    • #47: Russia (1993) note: Soviet Union was initiated in 1958
    • #48: Netherlands (1911)
    • #49: Sweden (1914)
    • #52: Iran (1972)
    • #53: Jordan (1984)
    • #58: Bahrain (1981)
    • #61: Egypt (1928) | #61: Kuwait (1973)
    • #62: Qatar (1980)
    • #64: Syria (1971)
    • #65: Greece (1934) #65: South Korea (1961)
    • #68: Israel (1954)
    • #69: Iraq (1971)
    • #72: Belgium (1912)
    • #73: Turkey (1937)
    • #74: Switzerland (1921)
    • #78: France (1911) #78: Oman (1989)
    • #83: Saudi Arabia (1976)
    • #93: Lebanon (1974)
    • #108: Yemen (1993) note: South Yemen was initiated in 1976 and North Yemen in 1985
    • #109: Palestine (2001) #109: South Africa (1993)
    • #111: United Arab Emirates (1960)
    • #117: Cyprus (1965)
    • #135: Japan (1971)
    • #153: United States (1930)
    • #155: Afghanistan (2003)

    CURRENT RANK (year initiated into wealth and population adjusted Elo ratings)
    • #1: Brazil (1922)
    • #4: Chile (1924)
    • #6: Argentina (1922)
    • #10: Uruguay (1922)
    • #12: Belgium (1912)
    • #16: Spain (1922)
    • #18: Germany (1922)
    • #20: France (1911)
    • #23: Mexico (1934)
    • #33: Italy (1920)
    • #35: England (1872)
    • #39: Egypt (1928) #39: Turkey (1937)
    • #43: South Korea (1961)
    • #45: Saudi Arabia (1976)
    • #47: Iran (1972)
    • #51: Jordan (1984)
    • #52: Netherlands (1911)
    • #54: Switzerland (1921)
    • #56: Greece (1934)
    • #58: Sweden (1914)
    • #63: Palestine (2001)
    • #64: Syria (1971)
    • #68: Japan (1971)
    • #73: Bahrain (1981)
    • #80: Iraq (1971)
    • #83: Israel (1954)
    • #86: United Arab Emirates (1960)
    • #87: South Africa (1993)
    • #88: United States (1930)
    • #90: Lebanon (1974)
    • #92: Cyprus (1965)
    • #94: Russia (1993) note: Soviet Union was initiated in 1958
    • #95: Qatar (1980)
    • #102: Yemen (1993) note: South Yemen was initiated in 1976 and North Yemen in 1985
    • #110: Oman (1989)
    • #110.5: Kuwait (1973) note: rating from 2015
    • #115: Afghanistan (2003)
    SOURCES
    all time ratings: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_all_time/5
    2017 rankings: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/2017
     
  8. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh... I just tried to buy a ticket to the World Club Cup Final in Abu Dhabi in December. FIFA is having a Visa card presale at the moment, and seeing Real Madrid & Ronaldo will be there - Abu Dhabi is only a 50 minute flight from Doha, and as this falls on Qatar's National Day holiday, meaning won't have to be back to work until a couple of days afterwards.... thought, might as well, after all, surely this will all be over by then, and I've always regretted having not done it to see Messi + Barcelona back in 2009... but then, strangely enough, my credit card is not going through... probably because my visa is through a Qatari bank.. :mad:

    I also lost thousands of dollars as just after buying tickets to Moscow with the family on FlyDubai (one of the Middle East's best-deal discount airlines), have had to re-book via Qatar Airways for around 3-4 times the price. Should be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like at tomorrow's world cup qualifier against South Korea in Doha...
     
  10. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I wonder if BeIn Sports will be unblocked in the UAE for two hours during the Thailand-UAE qualifier today. Will certainly check. If this prolongs the UAE television rights will have to be repackaged separately for various high-profile competitions.

    The way things are developing (Turkish troop deployment in Qatar, food delivery from Iran) this diplomatic impasse may take longer than expected to resolve. As of now Infantino is sticking to his message, but if we approach the Russian World Cup next year without progress I would expect his tune to change.

    Infantino backs Qatar 2022 saying there is plenty of time for diplomacy to work
    http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...qatar-2022-saying-plenty-time-diplomacy-work/
     
  11. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ouch no BeIn Sports? Now that's the true pain of all of this. I'm still getting Abu Dhabi Sports so I can watch my beloved MLS at 3 in the morning...
     
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  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Nope. No temporary unblocking for the UAE national team either. Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have now also taken action against BeIn Sports. While I don't think too many people will protest about not being able to watch the Confederations Cup this has to be sorted by the time the major European leagues and UEFA Champions League are back. Perhaps in the form of a brand-new sports network? Of course the tricky thing will be refunding BeIn Sports for the countries affected and re-selling the various rights of which there are many:

    - English Premier League
    - Spanish La Liga
    - Italian Serie A
    - German Bundesliga
    - French Ligue 1
    - UEFA Champions League
    - AFC Champions League
    - CAF Champions League

    And that's just some of the properties.

    Guess in the meantime I will be watching Copa Libertadores and MLS re-runs. :D
     
  13. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you want a club to support - go for Houston Dynamo ;)
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  15. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Can't do that. I attended Dallas games at the Cotton Bowl when living in Texas. :D
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    At the Qatar political front, it doesn't look like any Western sanctions are going to follow the Saudi-led isolation efforts. Quite the opposite in fact, the US government just agreed on a USD 12 billion arms deal only days after criticizing Qatar.

    This certainly works in favor of Qatar 2022.
     
  17. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #2567 Rickdog, Jun 15, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2017
    political hypocrites are always around.:rolleyes:

    Specially if lots of money is put up front.

    So that's how they call money, at FIFA, now
    :rolleyes:

    Infantino sure must be filling his pockets with lots of diplomacy.....
     
  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
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  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    CAF issues warning over using football as a political weapon to isolate Qatar

    AFC warns members to ‘respect principle of political neutrality’
    Things could get messy in West Asian football if the blockade lasts until next year. In case you are not up to date politically, Qatar has been given a 10-day ultimatum. So far Qatar appears to have resolved its food shortage. The question surrounding the 2022 World Cup is whether they can do the same with construction materials.

    Having been deemed a "family issue" by most countries (no others have signed up to the sanctions) the World Cup will not be pulled from Qatar over this unless they can't get the construction done.
     
  20. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    While the death of a British worker was the lead in the story, it was good to see that there is inspection beyond just that incident or like incidents, but across the whole construction spectrum. The story ends by saying how many hours have been spent on getting better, without any mention of the actual benefits of actions taken; e.g. reduction in injuries/deaths on the job. While saying the efforts have led to 'blacklisting three contractors and demobilising nine over workers' welfare abuses." is nice, who were the contractors? (i.e. were they bit players or important players?) It's a good step, but not a convincing one yet.
     
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  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  23. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    In summary - it contains heaps of horrendous allegations, most of which are very probably true, but (to quote the journalist who obtained the report) it
    As you would expect, everybody is going to claim it proves everything they ever said from day 1. In essence, most of the allegations (at least the those in the press) were pretty much standard operating procedure for bidding in the 1980s-1900s-2000s, free flights, five-star lifestyles, fancy watches for the men, fancy handbags for the wives, private school entry for the kiddies - only this time all the wins went to the nasty people, not the good people "forced" to stoop to their level just to compete (and I say this coming from a country that employed a "vote-fixer" to "help" "aid" "us" in our "bid" for a couple of mil or so - a guy so noble that he did the PR for Union Carbide in the aftermath of the Bhopal Chemical "accident").

    J

    "allegedly"
     
  24. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the BBC article: "Peter Rossberg - the journalist who claims to have obtained the report - said it "does not provide the proof that the 2018 or 2022 World Cup was bought". He described its findings instead as "like a puzzle that only makes sense when all parts are put together"."

    The 2nd part of the quote is key. It's not that there is no evidence of wrongdoing, just apparently, there is not the "smoking gun" evidence some of us were expecting [or hoping for]. But instead it describes a series of smaller bits of evidence and wrongdoing that put together, show the dirty dealing and payoffs that helped these bids succeed.

    The complexity of the evidence is probably enough that the story will be a minor one and fade away. I expect a series of articles here in the near future as the report gets analyzed and then the story will fade as the excitement of the upcoming tournament starts to dominate the headlines. Maybe at best the report will lead to punishment for a few more dirty players. But I guess we'll see as this plays out over the coming days and weeks.

    Note also that ESPN-FC is reporting that today FIFA officially released the entire report today, which is meaningless as the leaked version was available yesterday.

    http://www.espnfc.us/blog/fifa/243/...uption-in-2018-2022-world-cup-bids-after-leak
     
  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland

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