Promotion / Relegation Based on Team Finances?

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by TerminusFooty, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eventually there will be cities that will be left out of MLS (Small TV markets, etc).

    Then again many of them would probably not make it to D1 anyways with pro/rel.

    Another thing is semi-monopolies in certain markets, if I won the lotto and wanted a team in Chicago, there would be a few extra hoops I would have to jump thru if I did not want to buy the FIRE (or I would be told to put my team in a different city).

    Buy hey maybe I am wrong and eventually we could have Club America USA playing somewhere in LA along side Chivas and Galaxy
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BTW not that WSW cares, but NASL also has an expansion fee, why are they trying to keep out not so rich people out of the league?
     
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or stay there, if they did.

    Which is the other part of the equation that proles conveniently leave out of their analysis: the idea that you can either go right straight back down or that you're going to ask people to vote for a system that guarantees that every year one of them will be left without a chair when the music stops. And what have you done, then, exactly? Had that one afternoon of euphoria because you got promoted (which is a zero-sum game because someone else got relegated)? And then realized, "Oh, shit, first game in D1 is in 125 days, we have a lot to do."
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not only D1 but what you say would repeat in D2 and D3.

    But you miss the best part, making fun of Toronto fans that their team is going to play in the NASL. That is priceless.
     
  5. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pro/rel should start with USL/NASL first. I'm sure Battery would do great in NASL and if they got relegated no big deal since they played in USL for years.
     
  6. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except that the Battery don't want to move up. Sure, they could compete on the field, but financially, it doesn't make sense for the team to move up.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Relegation's no big deal. Okay, then.

    This is why people think you're a dope. Stuff like this.
     
  8. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What MLS needs to do is take the handcuffs of teams and either raise the salary cap or get rid of it altogether. So teams can start bringing stars from all over the world and not just over the hill names trying to prolong their careers. They need to bring young world class talent. Soccer has grown so much all over the world. If you had star players in their prime sign with any MLS teams the sport would take off. Just go to any pub this weekend and you will see a bunch of fans tunning in to the real madrid vs barcelona clasico.

    MLS needs to take advantage of the growth of the sport in popularity. There will be plenty of investors with money willing to buy franchises in MLS and spend millions in salaries cause they know they will get that money back.


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  9. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How will relegation hurt Charleston? If they played in NASL in 2013 and went back down too USL in 2014.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you're saying relegation doesn't hurt?

    That's your testimony?
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This post brought to you by the year 2002.
     
  12. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice dodge.
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ******** you.

    I'm asking you to do a little self-examination, moron. Look at that you're saying. Your whole premise (today, at least; tomorrow it'll be something else) is that pro/rel is great, would help Minnesota get an owner, blah blah blah blah blah. So there's no downside? No other side to the pro/rel coin? Teams just get promoted to the land of milk and honey, all positive impact, no negative impacts on the teams that go down? Just say, "Yes, that's my testimony. Nothing bad happens to teams that get relegated."

    Then we can continue the conversation.
     
  14. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AFAIK, there's nothing preventing an MLS team, right now, from spending as much as they want on their three DP's.
     
  15. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You, of all people not named DCU1996 have zero right to say this to anyone on this board.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. The guy who perfected the art form.
     
  17. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Battery get relegated back to USL is a downfall for them.
     
  18. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If USL and NASL want pro/rel, go for it. But trying to institute pro/rel involving MLS simply wouldn't work without a massive restructuring of MLS as an entity.
     
  19. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, plus I never wanted pro/rel NOW in MLS, First D2/D3 should do it, experiment a bit.
     
  20. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Eric Wynalda has a better chance of being named "Commish 4 life" of the NASL before we see pro/rel between the NASL and USL-Pro.
     
  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, they not only had the de facto pro/rel between Division II and Division III for years (with teams self-selecting), USL actually had a limited system of merit-based (with caveats) promotion whereby the Division III winner could go to the (then-) A-League if they met "other criteria."

    And that was when everything was under one umbrella. Good frigging luck getting two people who just had a war with each other deciding it was in their best interests to cooperate to the point where the NASL could get USL Pro's best team every year and USL Pro would get the NASL's worst. Good. Frigging. Luck.
     
    eclipse02 repped this.
  22. we are football

    we are football New Member

    Oct 9, 2012
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Of course relegation hurts, that's the whole point! its a reflection of your performance, that's when the club, players and fans say to themselves, right, i'm better than this, we are going to improve and thats where the key is to get better, you need proper competition and you need to be all inclusive. If you can't see that then yes it probably isn't in your DNA.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And no matter how many times you beat your head against a wall, Brits won't get why we don't do it.
     
  24. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, the DNA thing again. And from an account that was created today. Smells like a sock puppet.
     
  25. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ...especially as that's their only post.
     

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