Project24 - Stage 7 - Arsenal V Leicester

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by crazy150, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just finished watching the match on delay.

    What a beast of a performance by the Arsenal.

    Obviously Ozil was sublime and made the 2nd and 3rd goals and nearly a 4th, but my takeaway (as many have said here) was:

    "My goodness, Iwobi has really grown into a phenomenal playmaker!!"
     
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  2. flyerhawk

    flyerhawk Member

    Feb 5, 2006
    Hoboken NJ
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It descends into arguments because people misunderstand the purpose of statistics.

    Past performance is not an indicator of future results. While statistical outliers will eventually regress to the average, it could take 1 game or a 100. Or a 1000.

    I think xG is useful but, like all stats, more of a guide than a rule. According to understands, both of Auba's goals were roughly 65% chances to score. OTOH, a player of Auba's quality almost certainly scores over 90% of the time in such situations. So xG would make the team appear slightly lucky every time he scores in those situations.
     
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  3. flyerhawk

    flyerhawk Member

    Feb 5, 2006
    Hoboken NJ
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's been tremendous all season eventhough it hasn't always translated to as man goals as it could in the future. Once he learns how to get through the traffic, as he does now, and finds the open player he will be a truly elite player.
     
  4. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fantastic 2nd half. If this is Emery ball, i'm excited for years down the line
     
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  5. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I honestly had the impression that Mesut was done w/ Germany permanently. But then again, things have a way of changing a year or two before the next big tournament, or if there was a coaching change, or a regime change at Dfb, or... who knows.
     
  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Fcuk xg

    This performance and rapid counter attacking reminds me more of old arsenal than any wenger side since 04/05

    We have a new identity and it isn’t needless possession in the edge of the box, it’s direct and quick
     
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  7. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Last year the build up would have been so slow by the time Ozil tries to make the through ball it gets cut off and nothing happens.
    Also the handball would have been paid against us.
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It would take a cleanout of loew and grinder

    But at 29 I would prefer ozil is done with germany
     
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  9. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Iwobi is much more impressive in the flesh.

    Team started a little slow but it was a very chilly night. Ozil'd goal was coming and there was a real feeling LC needed to score if they wanted to be in the game at all.

    What impressed me about the second half, and it's something I hadn't seen in some time. They just came out and put their foot on LC throat until we had a lead. The changes were timely and decisive executed, and took their cm and CDM who were having decent games until that point out of the game.
     
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  10. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Well said. While the team does seem more efficient in front of goal, I love that the attacks seem geared to generate those high value shots. Just as importantly, those high value shots are coming off the feet of our best players which is maximizing our efficiency. This seems strategy and tactics rather than any lucky deviation from the mean.

    It was a great game. The chant “we’ve got our arsenal back” kept creeping into my head. When we went a goal down and then turned on the intensity, I thought this was a fun game even if we don’t get a result. That was rarely the case the last few seasons.

    For me, that’s what Emery has brought back—Fire, intensity, pride, confidence. The players seem not too concerned with misplaced passes in the final third like under AW. In the second half I watched maybe a dozen nearly passes get intercepted. No way we would have attempted as many under AW. I mean we saw xhaka getting involved in counter attacks from LB.

    Also noticeable this game was a lot of organizing—especially after we had the lead. That is good to see.

    Great win.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It is definitely the case that they are breaking into teams through the channels and then squaring the ball on the deck - very Barca

    It creates high value chances and is so much better than all that crappy crossing we used to do

    Of course it really helps to have two high quality 9s who can get into those positions

    We have no had that since RvP
     
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  12. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    The way ozil played, I’m just picturing he and Emery in the film room for hours over the break working on that. You could see from the beginning a real urgency from ozil to get on the ball. Him dropping deep at times was good as well because holding and co know that can pass to him under pressure. In summary, he literally bossed the game.
     
  13. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The 2nd half move with Ozil with nothing on where Ozil passed to him, then made a run and Iwobi played him in was amaze

    shame Laca didn't score off it
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    It's also to do with the quick transitions

    Ozil was getting the ball in space, with runners to hit instead of the old static crap
     
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  16. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I mean, yeah. We're all thrilled with the results (that's why you play after all). Those of us who like more sophisticated stats are worried that this level of performance is unsustainable and that we're due for a regression to the mean.
     
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  17. wanye_stirrear

    wanye_stirrear Member+

    Sep 19, 2002
    Maryland
    He's being a playmaker.
     
  18. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    God, we can only pray that this is correct. I've been pining for it for so many years now, I can't remember.
     
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  19. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a game to be at!! The electricity popped out of the TV, after Auba & Guen came in and we got those 2 quick amazing goals. I can only imagine what it was like in person. Were you anywhere near the north end in that half? And what was your first reax to the Grove experience in general?
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Jawhol!

    This team has a shit tonne of pace in transition

    Be interesting to see how it goes against sides that don't push up?
     
  21. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To paraphrase one big man...

    Fcuk regression to the mean
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Interestingly xG disagrees with the pundit class on this game

    3-1 reflects the real result despite many claiming Leicester should have had the game won by half time

    So this wasn't shooting overperformance - Arsenal deserved 3-1

     
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  23. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This xq Does not take into account the quality of chances we have created...
     
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  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The current quality of bigman's posts is unsustainable because it is well below xTypos.
     
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  25. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh...
     

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