Premier League/Football League 2018-19 Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by code1390, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone see and have opinions on the Rose yellow card? Presumably classified as a reckless challenge on the goalkeeper. I’m asking if anyone felt it needs to be more.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m watching the match now and just caught up. Quite frankly, the PGMOL’s position and those from Halsey and all his friends is astounding.

    That is 100% a penalty. Years ago it was debatable. It’s not anymore. Kane wasn’t close enough to challenge for the ball. He was blatantly fouled before he could. It’s a penalty. If you asked Elleray or Collina or Busacca, they’d probably be shocked this is even up for debate. The changes made by the IFAB in this regard have been specifically to ensure this type of play is called a penalty.

    The English penchant to find controversy everywhere and for its officials—long self-identifies as the guardians of the Laws—to seemingly deliberately not keep up to speed never ceases to amaze.

    There’s a hypothetical where the ball is much closer to Kane and this call gets much tougher. But this was not close or tough. It’s disappointing that referees are helping to feed the media frenzy.

    EDIT: and Walton. Jesus. Walton is nearly always wrong. It’s fascinating and frightening.
     
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  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Halsey doesn't surprise me anymore. Seeing Shearer say he's gotten direct info from PGMOL that this is offside is much more baffling.

    EDIT: Maybe we should put the guy who wrote this article on TV since he actually understands the "gaining an advantage" clause.

     
  4. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    So Walton and halsey disagree with the official fifa position?

    Rose's 2 feet to the keeper should be red..if that happened anywhere else on the field..straight red
     
  5. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
  6. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    I'm hoping this wasn't Clatt's wording "Lucas Torreira slid in recklessly on Danny Rose and you can clearly see him catch the Tottenham defender in the shin. This was worthy of a red card, 100 per cent."
     
  7. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Based on his past comments on NBC, I'm certain that it is exactly his words.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Related to my comment above, I agree. There is an English penchant--even at the highest levels of refereeing--to be supremely confident in knowledge and application of Laws yet incredibly imprecise with language.

    I'd really love to know if they are as imprecise in match reports. Does "reckless" just mean what English referees want it to mean in common English referee law application? Or do they actually write things properly per the LOTG when it comes to dealing with competition authorities?
     
  9. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, it seems like it's probably similar to young referees when they fill out their first supplemental and the administrator says "can you rewrite this and change the word 'recklessly' to 'violently'?"
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless the powers that be are fine with that language, too. It seems so ingrained in the refereeing culture there, I think it's very possible that "recklessly" is language that flies to justify a red card in England. But I'm obviously just guessing.
     
  11. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was surprised that it wasn't red. Straight leg, lunging challenge, studs to the chest. Yikes!
     
  12. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad that Clatts wasn't asked about the Rose foul on Leno. I'd be curious as to his view.
     
  13. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Saturday 9 March

    12:30 Crystal Palace v Brighton
    Referee: Craig Pawson
    Assistants: Lee Betts, Daniel Cook
    Fourth official: Stuart Attwell

    Cardiff v West Ham
    Referee: Graham Scott
    Assistants: Neil Davies, Derek Eaton
    Fourth official: Andy Madley

    Huddersfield v AFC Bournemouth
    Referee: Anthony Taylor
    Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn
    Fourth official: Andre Marriner

    Leicester v Fulham
    Referee: David Coote
    Assistants: Stephen Child, Simon Long
    Fourth official: Martin Atkinson

    Newcastle v Everton
    Referee: Lee Mason
    Assistants: Harry Lennard, Constantine Hatzidakis
    Fourth official: Mike Dean

    Southampton v Tottenham Hotspur
    Referee: Kevin Friend
    Assistants: Matthew Wilkes, Simon Beck
    Fourth official: Lee Probert

    17:30 Man City v Watford
    Referee: Paul Tierney
    Assistants: Eddie Smart, Adrian Holmes
    Fourth official: Chris Kavanagh

    Sunday 10 March
    12:00 Liverpool v Burnley
    Referee: Andre Marriner
    Assistants: Scott Ledger, Richard West
    Fourth official: Mike Dean

    14:05 Chelsea v Wolves
    Referee: Michael Oliver
    Assistants: Stuart Burt, Darren Cann
    Fourth official: Roger East

    16:30 Arsenal v Man Utd
    Referee: Jonathan Moss
    Assistants: Simon Bennett, Marc Perry
    Fourth official: Martin Atkinson

    Moss for the big match for fourth, Tierney and Marriner in charge of title contenders.
     
  14. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I am certainly not a Palace fan, but they were done wrong today.
    Knockaert commits a studs up to the groin slide tackle 10 seconds in. It is textbook SFP. Gets cautioned when it was a clear send off. Goes on to score the game winner.

    Referees need to be ready from the kickoff and be ready to make big calls immediately.

    Palace is fighting relegation and they were certainly wronged today.
     
  15. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Newcastle v Everton Pickford does his best middle linebacker impression on Rondón, who would have had an easy tap in. Pk but no misconduct given.
     
  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    It doesn't make it right, but when was the last time you've seen a red card for SFP one minute (or in this case 10 seconds) into a match?

    According to the Laws there is no such thing as too early for a red card, but in reality there is. You literally become the story of the game.

    It's just not going to happen.

    Maybe VAR might change that next season...
     
  17. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great form on the tackle.
     
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  18. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tottenham-Southampton game shows Poch on the phone with his assistant while in the stands. Is this legal? The cameras clearly showed it was happening.
     
  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Yes, but it is a failure on the part off referees to not make the proper call. You’re approach is killing the game.

    Red card offense in the first minute ... but no one gives a send off that early.

    Mugging on a CK ... but everyone holds on a corner.

    A history of reffing failures is not a reason to continue with failure.
     
  20. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that's the sort of inconsistency in application that drives supporters nuts. So Torreira is sitting on a 3 match suspension for a tackle that was no worse -- probably less so -- than Knockaert's today. But the former's was at 90' + whereas the latter's was at 1'.
     
  21. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Shocked that Lee Mason is involved. Shocked, I say.

    Anyhow, it all came out good for Newcastle as their winning goal was offside. Other than that, it was a fine play, Mrs. Lincoln.
     
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  22. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it was a make up for not sending off Pickford?
     
  23. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There are all of those unwritten rules that for better or worse have been accepted as part of the game. The first minute red card, muggings on CK, the “soft” careless foul that turns into trifling if committed inside the PA.

    How much of that to the players and supporters really want to change?
     
  24. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Nah. Everton just isn’t very good.
     
  25. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    All of it. If the laws were enforced as written, we’d have one shitty year of adjustment. After that, the game would be as clean as rugby.

    No back talk no diving proper enforcement

    And yes, the majority of fans would give up a year for proper enforcement.

    If fans know the rules and know they will be enforced, they’ll be happy.

    What they don’t want is to see this crap go unpunished in the first minute only to see their guy get tossed for far less in the 61’
     

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