Premier League 17-18 (R) assignments and discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by frankieboylampard, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    FA Community Shield Final
    Sunday, 6 August

    6:00 AM Arsenal v. Chelsea

    Referee: Bobby Madley
    Assistants: Constantine Hatzidakis, Simon Bennett
    Fourth official: Graham Scott
    Reserve AR: Edward Smart
     
  2. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Kick-offs 3pm BST unless stated.

    Friday 11 August
    7.45pm Arsenal v Leicester City (Sky Sports)
    Referee: Mike Dean
    Assistants: S Long, D Cann
    Fourth official: L Mason

    Saturday 12 August
    12.30pm Watford v Liverpool (Sky Sports)
    Referee: Anthony Taylor
    Assistants: G Beswick, P Kirkup
    Fourth official: P Tierney

    Chelsea v Burnley
    Referee: Craig Pawson
    Assistants: R West, C Hatzidakis
    Fourth official: L Mason

    Crystal Palace v Huddersfield Town
    Referee: Jon Moss
    Assistants: E Smart, A Halliday
    Fourth official: G Scott

    Everton v Stoke City
    Referee: Neil Swarbrick
    Assistants: H Lennard, M McDonough
    Fourth official: O Langford

    Southampton v Swansea City
    Referee: Mike Jones
    Assistants: M Scholes, D Eaton
    Fourth official: S Martin

    West Bromwich Albion v AFC Bournemouth
    Referee: Bobby Madley
    Assistants: M Perry, A Holmes
    Fourth official: R East

    5.30pm Brighton & Hove Albion v Manchester City (BT Sport)
    Referee: Michael Oliver
    Assistants: S Bennett, J Collin
    Fourth official: S Attwell

    Sunday 13 August
    1.30pm Newcastle United v Tottenham Hotspur (Sky Sports)
    Referee: Andre Marriner
    Assistants: S Beck, S Ledger
    Fourth official: K Friend

    4pm Manchester United v West Ham United (Sky Sports)
    Referee: Martin Atkinson
    Assistants: S Child, A Nunn
    Fourth official: N Swarbrick
     
  3. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    #3 Rufusabc, Aug 9, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2017
    What is going on in England? Please, somebody let us know.

    18 referees on the select list. 10 are over the age of 45. By the end of the season, 5 will be over 50. Only one referee promoted to the top list this year as Clattenberg falls off.

    Chris Kavanagh, 32, joins the list. He did 1 PL match last season. He becomes the first Manchester FA referee to do Premier League match.
     
  4. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    I would suggest you take a look at Keith Hackett's "You are the Ref" website. He has been commenting
    on the situation in England for several years. In short, he is not happy with what is going on (or not going on)
    and seems to put the blame on the PGMOL boss, Mike Riley.

    PH
     
  5. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Thanks.
     
  6. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    Che v bur

    Pawson goes straight red on Cahill for a single leg, high, studs up lunge in min14.

    Historically i think it would get a caution in the premier league. I had it as orange. I wonder if clamping down on this type of tackle will be a point of emphasis for the premier league this season...
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's really not close. Crimson red all day, regardless of the league or competition.
     

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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh and Fabregas' 2CT could have been SFP. No idea what he was complaining about.
     
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  9. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    It's just that the EPL has had a higher bar for red than any other league. I'm sure there were worse fouls last year that only got yellow.
     
  10. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anything happen to Cesc for his bump on the walkout? Let me see if I can link.

     
  11. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Oliver's FIFA badge fell off at some point around the 30th minute of the first half. We later see him pick something up off the ground, but when he walks off with his team he still isn't wearing it. I imagine it will reappear for the second half.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If worse fouls got yellow last year, I'd say those were misses and not indicative of what the standard is or should be.

    Whether or not the EPL still has a higher bar for SFP or not (and I agree that, historically that's been true), this is textbook SFP worldwide going back to at least the early 90s, well before the "endangering the safety" standard. It's a straight leg with studs fully exposed, late, over the ball, high contact and done immediately after losing possession of the ball with a heavy touch. This could be THE instructional clip for identifying the most common form of SFP.
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mason didn't react and didn't say anything into the mic so I suspect nothing. And even though I think Fabregas was being a jerk, this could be used as a good lesson to not give players the opportunity to be stupid in a borderline fashion. If Mason had stepped aside from the tunnel entrance, Fabregas has no opportunity to give the slight bump. Either no contact occurs or Fabregas goes out of his way to assault an official. By making that move proactively, Mason turns a grey area into a black and white decision.
     
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  14. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Cahill' s tackle appears to me to be a straight red, no questions asked. As Mass Ref points out, we see this type of recovery try even in matches at our levels. My antenna goes up when a defensive player like Cahill is carrying the ball, and there is a bit of a heavy touch. I find without fail at higher levels
    That the player will try to win the ball back at all costs. And it a really good idea to be within shouting distance of that type of play.
     
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  15. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Nothing there IMO. Just a natural slight contact while passing-by.

    PH
     
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  16. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    I do wish this type of tackle were eliminated. But the standard is what is enforced. As you point out, a very similar challenge, with more direct contact, occurred by fabregas in the same game that received a caution.

    How many of us were mildly surprised that Cahill was sent off? I watch as many epl games as I can and certainly not as many as some here, but I was....
     
  17. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    The bigger question is if this type of tackle will result in a red card later on in the season. Quite often the referees start
    the season in a strict "clamping down" mode, but soon regress to the norm. Same for the clapping that got Fabregas his 1st yellow and other types of dissent.

    PH
     
  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Without giving my opinion, I'll say that the announcers thought it shouldn't have been a card.
     
  19. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    How many times must we say it is pointless to listen to announcers when it comes to the LOTG and referees' decisions?
    Almost all of them have no real understanding and also have an agenda and something to sell.
    This is just another example that proves the point.

    PH
     
  20. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    That indeed was the point of my original musing...

    It's disheartening to hear that epl refs relax their standards as the season progresses, and hard to understand the benefit of doing so.
     
  21. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    That's not always the referees fault though, quite often they follow instructions from the FA/league and it's those instructions that change as the seasons goes on.
     
  22. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Nor is this a soccer thing. A large percentage of points of emphasis in all sports have a way of softening closer to the status quo ante as the season progresses.
     
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  23. greek ref

    greek ref Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Panathinaikos Athens
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    MD2

    Sat 19th Aug 2017
    AFC Bournemouth v Watford FC
    Referee: East, Roger
    Assistant Referee: Scholes, Mark
    Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
    Fourth Official: Sarginson, Christopher

    Burnley FC v West Bromwich Albion FC
    Referee: Atkinson, Martin
    Assistant Referee: Kirkup, Peter
    Assistant Referee: Child, Steve
    Fourth Official: Kavanagh, Christopher

    Leicester City FC v Brighton & Hove Albion FC
    Referee: Probert, Lee
    Assistant Referee: Garratt, Andrew
    Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
    Fourth Official: Pawson, Craig

    Liverpool FC v Crystal Palace FC
    Referee: Friend, Kevin
    Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian
    Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
    Fourth Official: Dean, Michael

    Southampton FC v West Ham United
    Referee: Mason, Lee
    Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
    Assistant Referee: Wilkes, Matthew
    Fourth Official: Swarbrick, Neil

    Stoke City FC v Arsenal
    Referee: Marriner, Andre
    Assistant Referee: Beck, Simon
    Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
    Fourth Official: Madley, Robert

    Swansea City FC v Manchester United FC
    Referee: Moss, Jonathan
    Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward
    Assistant Referee: Halliday, Andrew
    Fourth Official: Jones, Michael

    Sun 20th Aug 2017
    Huddersfield Town FC v Newcastle United FC
    Referee: Pawson, Craig
    Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
    Assistant Referee: West, Richard
    Fourth Official: Kavanagh, Christopher

    Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea
    Referee: Taylor, Anthony
    Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
    Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
    Fourth Official: Dean, Michael

    Mon 21st Aug 2017
    Manchester City FC v Everton FC
    Referee: Madley, Robert
    Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
    Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
    Fourth Official: Oliver, Michael
     
  24. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    interesting to see probert is back
     
  25. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004

    He missed the entire 15/16 season due to injury, but returned and did 31 matches last year including 4 in the Premier League. He has already done 2 matches this year, 1 in League one and another in the Championship. Because of the recent retirements/resignations, Probert is probably a welcomed returnee.
     

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