Pre/PBP/Post DC United v Chicago Fire

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by song219, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And whose job is it to get him the right players for his system???
     
  2. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    Who cares whose job it is, we're at <1 ppg with a few games left in the year. Everyone sucks
     
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  3. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In aggregate - yes.
     
  4. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This sum of its parts is worse than the individual pieces.
     
  5. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    #55 Eastern Bear, Sep 17, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2017
    DCU played either a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-3-3 (in rare moments of possession) total counter attack last year. Lots of long ball over the top that needs a quick break. This year we are playing a 4-2-3-1 which is more possession oriented and not nearly as bunker oriented as last year. You need a few pivot players and we only have one with Acosta.
     
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  6. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Ben and Dave. Like I said. I ain't gonna dog those players if they can't produce In this system. They'd do better elsewhere (see Pontius). It's your pal Ben's job and your scapegoat Dave's job. The coach and GM should communicate regularly and be completely simpatico.
     
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  7. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe Olsen needs to stop overthinking this and go to a 4-4-2.

    Or maybe he's such a ********ing coaching genius he can dazzle us with his 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 formation. The grit is what makes it work.
     
  8. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And they should both accept the blame.
     
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  9. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 formation is what I've seen the last several years. It appears to be every man for himself, with little to no teamwork.
     
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  10. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Yep. Virtually every goal in Mullins's career has been a 1 touch strike from inside the box. He's not a creator, but a finisher. In theory he should be playing exactly like Chicago's Nikolic. Always standing on the offside line and looking for little pockets of space in between defenders.

    Whether he's the "lone striker" or not is irrelevant. You should never really be alone even in a 4-2-3-1. In fact, a well functioning 4-2-3-1 should have a line of 3 creative attacking midfielders/withdrawn forwards right behind the striker. This creates a very symmetric attacking diamond pattern that suits a Mullins style poacher. For reference look at Atlanta's attacking diamond (Almiron, Asad, Villalba and Martinez). Or a poor man's version of that is Columbus (Higuain, Meram, Manneh and Kamara). That sort of striker is what Mullins should be aspiring to if he plans on becoming MLS starter material.

    There are many ways to skin a cat in soccer. Any given team can be successful in a variety of formations. There is nothing inherently wrong with a 4-2-3-1. The key is for the 11 players on the field to understand and recognize the patterns of play, and make the correct movements and decisions. This is what a coach gets paid to do. Create a framework and teach the players on how to succeed in this framework. To this day in 7 years of Olsen/Kasper rule, I have yet to see this team establish a tactical identity where all 11 players on the field look like they're in control of what is happening around them. Most other teams in MLS are oozing with identity and personality. When I think of other teams who have been under one coach for awhile (Portland, SKC, Red Bull, Columbus, Dallas, Toronto etc ... ) I know exactly what kind of identity to expect.
     
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  11. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't rep this enough.
     
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  12. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's very well said, Boloni.

    There's one thing that always irks me about Olsen coached teams, and it's that they never routinely throw numbers forward with any kind of real plan. That far post run? It's almost never there. How many guys are in the box to meet any sort of cross? Two, if we're lucky. And guys just stand around waiting for passes instead of making runs.

    There's definitely the talent on this team to score goals. Hell, a lot of it was there last year when the team was regularly bagging 2 and 3 goals in a game in the 2nd half of last season (a year younger then, but still). I really, really think this team needs a new coach to unlock the potential that is most definitely there. One who'll have them actually attack as a team, rather than as a couple of individuals doing some kind of hit and hope.
     
  13. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apropos of the above: during the Chicago match, I saw numerous instances when one of our midfielders brought the ball forward looking for someone to pass to. The defenders swarmed our guys immediately in front of the man with the ball, but there was a huge expanse of real estate totally empty just to his right. Not one of our players stepped into that void and gave our guy an option. Usually someone like Arriolla will leave the sideline and fill up that void, but maybe he was occupied. Soccer, like nature, abhors a void.
     
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