Power Ranking of the 32 Teams in Russia

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018 - Russia' started by Iranian Monitor, Jan 16, 2018.

  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I have cited various power rankings in debates with fans of different teams and have debated how these different teams rate and rank. Here I like to bring the rankings and debates into one thread and give my power rankings and hear how you see things.

    The grades below are useful to me to give a good understanding of how each side we might rank close or apart numerically actually rate. So if you use a similar grading system to give your rankings, I would appreciate it.

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    1- Brazil (A): Among the top favorites to win the trophy in Russia, they come to Russia following a comfortable qualifying campaign where they clinched their ticket to Russia before anyone else. They will be having a (perhaps revealing) friendly against the side that humiliated them in 2014, namely Germany, and on paper, the trophy will likely go to either Brazil or Germany.

    1- Germany (A): There may be no objective reason not to expect them to lift the trophy again, as the Germans have been undefeated since Euro 2016 and in Euro 2016, only France (as hosts) were able to beat them. Even their traditional nemesis, Italy, which was really impressive under Conte in Euro 2006, couldn't beat Germany. But their loss to France did take away from their luster in my mind. And for some reason, I don't expect Germany to repeat.


    3- Spain (A-): Despite failing both in World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016, I still rate Spain a contender and, on paper, they still rank only behind Brazil and Germany in my book. But for a host of reasons, not least because I think they ended up with the trickiest group imaginable for them despite it not sounding that way on paper, I am not sure what will happen to Spain in Russia. I could see them go as far as the final. But I could also see them eliminated at the group stage.

    3- Argentina (A-): Argentina, a side that was really lucky to beat Iran in World Cup 2014, ended up making the final thanks in large part to Messi. This will Messi's last chance to win the trophy that has alluded him and which will he need -- alongside dominant performances (and not just flashy goals) -- to carve a place for himself alongside the likes of Maradona and Pele. I don't think either will happen: I don't see Messi dominating the tournament and I don't see Argentina coming close to wining the trophy. But on paper they still deserve to be ranked among the main contenders.

    3- France (A-): The French have a lot going for them, including a side full of talented players and results which back up a place for them among the leading contenders in Russia. But a side that ends up losing the final as hosts against a Portugal team that didn't even have their star player for most of that match, will still have much to prove. I see France as possibly making the semifinals but I don't see them doing better.


    6- Portugal (B+/A-): Right below the top favorites and contenders is Portugal. The real problem with Portugal is that, as a team, they have not been as impressive. They may be the European champions, they may have Chris Ronaldo, but they just haven't impressed that much. For me, they have a tricky group and one which they might not survive. But if they do survive their group, they have 50/50 odds to make the semifinal and remain in contention as long as they don't meet Germany or Brazil.


    7. Belgium (B+): For me, they have been more hype than anything else. But then again, with the two sides that I would have rated above them (Italy and Chile) failing to even qualify to the World Cup, who am I to rate above them? Anyway, I will try to keep an open mind about them. They certainly are often lucky in terms of the sides they draw and seem to have an open path to the knock out stages. But every side I listed above them is better than them and is capable of beating them. So their success in World Cup 2014 will depend on avoiding everyone above them and maybe even the team I list right below them.

    7- England (B+): English fans, English colonial history, the English media -- there is plenty of reason for many neutrals to always root against England. But none fuels the fire as England's penchant to simply disappoint and do worse than its overall record coming to these tournaments would predict. Here is a side that hosts one of the top leagues in the world, the EPL, and which often gets consistent results in qualifying, but then ends up unable to get passed sides like Iceland (e.g., Euro 2016) or Costa Rica (World Cup 2014) or ends being whipped badly as they were in World Cup 2010 (4:1 loss to Germany). No wonder they seem such a bad bet to do well! But on paper, they are still up there among the top quarter in this competition in terms of their recent results and talent.

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    9- Colombia (B/B+): When it comes to the next tier right below England, there are a slew of teams that rate very similar in my book. I will put them altogether and none are all that clearly better than any other among them, starting with Colombia. All these teams I mention have a very good shot of making the knock-out rounds and beyond depending on whether they are facing teams of similar caliber or whether they face teams ranked behind them.

    9- Sweden (B/B+)

    9- Uruguay (B/B+)

    9- Croatia (B/B+)

    9- Nigeria (B/B+)

    9- Mexico (B/B+)

    9- Senegal (B/B+)

    9- Poland (B/B+)

    9- Switzerland (B/B+)

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    18- Peru (B): This is the category that I rate Iran, which is the team I root for. And find all these teams comparable in strength.

    18- Serbia (B)

    18- Iran (B)

    18- Morocco (B)

    18- Egypt (B)

    18- Denmark (B)

    18- Russia (B)

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    25- Australia (B-): Australia may have finished behind Japan and Saudi Arabia in Asia, but I see them better prepared to handle the competition internationally. In any case, I see these teams at the top and the remainder at the bottom of this category.

    25- Iceland (B-)

    25- Japan (B-)

    25- Costa Rica (B-)


    29- South Korea (C+/B-)

    29- Tunisia (C+/B-)


    31- Saudi Arabia (C+)

    32- Panama (C+)
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I guess my power rankings didn't rob anyone the wrong way nor irritated anyone all that much! But still would be interested to see how others rank these teams?
     
  3. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    The fact that you made it kind of broad groups means there's less to quibble about. I haven't looked that close at it but it seems fairly OK.
    The one change I might make is to switch Denmark and Sweden. Could possibly put Iceland up one rung but I'm not sure that their "sum is greater then the parts" factor is enough to overcome their lack of experience at this level.
     
  4. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Oki im gonna try

    1.
    Brazil, Argentina, France, Spain, Germany and Belgium

    Why Belgium here is because in Brazil it was their first tourney, now they are 4 years better this golden generation and the players are better too.

    2.
    Portugal, Uruguay, Colombia, Poland, Croatia, England

    I like Poland alot, i think they are very good, If they hadnt losed that penalty against Portugal i think they had won the euro 2016.
    the best match that toruney was Poland - Germany = 0-0

    Colombia everybody says are not so good like they were in Brazil 2014. Maybe they gonna find the form and with Falcao in the team now too.

    3.
    Nigeria, Russia, Switzerland, Senegal, Mexico, Peru, Denmark, Sweden

    Ok here i have Sweden, We are a new team now and with the new coach to this qualification. We won over France at home, we lost in France but i think we deserved a draw. We won over Italy in the play-off. So i think we can get results against the big teams.
    Russia i think gonna be the big dark horse, maybe im gonna be wrong but i think they gonna suprise like they did euro 2008.

    Peru, i think this is the right information, the coach tried new players at copa america, and he liked what he saw, they played good so after a bad start at the qualify he continue with the new players, and 2017 they didnt lost a match. So i think if Peru can handle to play in Europe they gonna be hard to beat.

    Denmark played very good this autumn. And they have good players.

    Switzerland, i know many dont like them but i think in the last 4 years they always get their results, They had bad luck against Argentina in Brazil. Euro 2016 they lost at penalties.

    4.
    Morocco, Iran, Serbia, Iceland, Japan, South Korea

    I have South Korea here only because i saw the two friendlies against Colombia and Serbia and think they played so good.

    5.
    Egypt, Australia, Tunisia, Costa Rica

    6.
    Saudi, Panama
     
  5. Mrmagu

    Mrmagu Member

    Corinthians
    Brazil
    Nov 14, 2017
    In my opinion, the most important to analyzes is the way until the final. For me the big four favorites are:
    1) Germany
    2) Brazil and France equally with a slight more chance to France because I think the possible semifinal match against Brazil , France is a little bit favorite. As Brazilian this is the match that I’m more afraid of, because Brazil doesn’t have lucky with France.
    4) Argentina.
    And then Spain and Belgium in this order and a very very slight chances to Portugal and England ( a little more for England). Just a miracle could give to Uruguay the title.
    Germany in my opinion has the easier pathway until the final but all these four teams probably will have very tough matches in quarterfinals, Brazil and Germany against Belgium or England and France and Argentina against Spain or Portugal . The quarterfinals match against Belgium or Spain will be tougher ones, probably against Brazil and Argentina respectively. In the round of 16 I think just Brazil of these four teams will have a tough game( not so much , but difficult) against Mexico. A round of 16 match Portugal against Uruguay would be very tough also for Portugal.
    For these reasons, I think the tougher ways until final will be for Brazil and Argentina , probably for Argentina against Spain and then against Germany in semifinal. Analyzing the semifinal matches again I think the Germany has the easiest way , because the team is very strong and I think they can beat even Argentina or Spain. The possible semifinal Brazil vs France is very unpredictable with a slight favoritism to France as I mentioned above. Of course all the another teams in quarterfinals matches can beat the four favorites in my opinion.
    But the final match it will be very unpredictable. Germany against France or Brazil in a World Cup final match for me is fifty- fifty because these teams would be very motivated in a final match against Germany and in case of Brazil , very thirsty of revenge. And if Argentina or Spain ( or even Portugal) arrives in the final beating each other in quarterfinals and then Germany in semifinals , they will also be very strong in a final match (Argentina in a final match against Brazil would be very very tough match for my team) . The thinking is the same about the other side , if Belgium or even England arrives in the final match , they would be very strong also.
     
  6. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Oki if you analyze that way.
    Iam not sure Argentina, France and Brazil and Germany, all 4 gonna win the group, if not, Argentina-France or Brazil - Germany gonna meet at round 16.
    If the favourites win the matches i agree Brazil and Argentina gonna have the tougest quarterfinales against Belgium and Spain.
     
  7. Mrmagu

    Mrmagu Member

    Corinthians
    Brazil
    Nov 14, 2017
    It is not certain , but mainly for Germany , I’m almost sure. In case of Brazil , he HAS to be the first of the group if he really wants to have any chance to fight for the championship.
     
  8. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I'd probably place the Aussies slightly lower than Japan and S. Korea since they don't even have a coach.
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    All of these teams are so similar in their level that ultimately what will decide their difference will likely be extraneous factors (luck/bounce of the ball, particular form in the given match, tactics, referee errors etc). That is why I actually, instinctively, do not like numerical rankings (which overstate differences quite often) and prefer to give teams grades.

    Incidentally, to check my rankings and some of the others here against how ELO rates these teams, dividing them in 4 pots, each of the pots would be as follows:
    Pot 1:
    1- Brazil 2- Germany 3- Spain 4- Portugal 5- France 6- Argentina 7- England 8- Belgium
    Pot 2:
    9- Colombia 10- Peru 11- Switzerland 12- Uruguay 13- Croatia 14- Mexico 15- Poland 16- Denmark
    Pot 3:
    17- Sweden 18- Iceland 19- Iran 20- Serbia 21- South Korea 22- Senegal 23- Costa Rica 24- Australia
    Pot 4:
    25- Japan 26- Russia 27- Nigeria 28- Morocco 29- Panama 30- Egypt 31- Tunisia 32- Saudi Arabia.

    While I am far more comfortable with my own rankings, the most surprising for me was seeing Egypt so low. I already knew Nigeria was ranked much lower than I would put them (mainly because they failed to qualify for two consecutive AFCON tournaments), but didn't realize Egypt was also ranked so low.
     
  10. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Let me provide this note on my letter grade rankings.

    In general, when a side meet another that is a full letter grade below them in my ranking, their chances of winning are very high. Even then, upsets happen but this is when 9 times out of 10, the result will favor the higher ranked team.

    On the other hand, the odds something like 6-3-1 in 10 games all things being equal (60% chance of win, 30% draw, 10% loss) when the differences fall below a full letter grade ((e.g., (A-) v (B) or B+ v B- etc). For instance, I am rooting for Japan in their group, and give them a chance, but at the end of the day when I have given Japan a (B-) and Japan's opponents Colombia (B+), Senegal (B+) and Poland (B+), then obviously Japan will be the underdog in the group.

    When the difference between the two sides is just half a letter grade (B+ v B etc), of course the side with the higher grade would still be favored but the odds become more like 5-3-2 or something along those lines. Hence, if South Korea (B-) was in Iran's group, Morocco (B) would still be favored but not by much. Spain would still enjoy clear odds of beating South Korea (8-1-1), Portugal's chances would be slightly lower (6-3-1/7-2-1).

    Finally, when two teams are graded the same? Here, all other things being equal, the odds would be equal too: 3-4-3 or 4-2-4 on paper. Which means that, if my grades are accurate, there is no real favorite between Poland/Colombia/Senegal. No real favorite between Iran/Morocco. No real favorite between Russia/Egypt and only the slight advantage for Uruguay against either one. Both Russia and Egypt (B) would be favored against Saudi Arabia (C+) but here too we are talking about 6-3-1 type chances. There is almost a 40% chance that Saudi Arabia won't lose to either or both. Conversely, if my grades are accurate, Uruguay (B+) will beat Saudi Arabia (C+) something like 8-1-1 (80% win, 10% draw, 10% loss).
     
  11. Borah

    Borah Member

    Feb 3, 2018
    It's quite sad that Costa Rica is still considered very weak. People think their last success was a fluke. They deserve more respect.
     
  12. NickK

    NickK Member

    United States
    Feb 20, 2016
    Hoboken, NJ
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I hear what you’re saying, but they’re mostly the same team as 2014 (thus 4 years older), and they haven’t gotten that much younger.
     
  13. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Members


    I havent seen much from them, but everybody says they are not that good as they was in Brazil. 2014. They suprise me alot 2014, So maybe they do again.
     
  14. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    How you rate Costa Rica using the grade system I have outlined?

    Incidentally, as mentioned, the general consensus is that Costa Rica aren't as good as in 2014. In 2014, they did surprise most people (including me) and not only advanced from a tough group with good results and performances, but ultimately were eliminated only on penalties in the quarterfinals against Holland. In a way, Costa Rica's results and performances in 2014 weren't merely surprising; they were shocking. Certainly, if Iran had done remotely as well as Costa Rica, I too would be expecting more respect than the kind of ratings and rankings the Ticos get in almost all power rankings I have seen. However, the problem, in a nutshell, is in Costa Rica's recent results, where you find a lot of pink (losses) and yellow (draws) in the chart below. Indeed, Costa Rica's last 3 matches have been losses and the Ticos haven't won a game over the past 5 games they have played. Their last win was over the US (which Costa Rica lost to as well by the same scoreline) but otherwise Costa Rica's results have been mediocre.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica_national_football_team_results_(2010–19)
     
  15. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Maybe they wake up again. I have no idea.
    They got 2 more points when they quaified 2014 in Concacaf. No idea here too if it was harder 2014 for the teams in concacaf. tell me :)
     
  16. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The reason Costa Rica's results in 2014 were literally shocking is because even then there wasn't anything to make anyone really expect them to do as well. While they had earned a couple more points as you mention in the 2014 qualifiers, ultimately Costa Rica's only truly impressive or outstanding results were at the World Cup. The only contrary indication was in the fact that they had defeated Mexico in the 2014 qualifiers, but Mexico back then had done poorly in the qualifiers overall. If there was any sense to be made of it all, it would be that 2014 represented an unusually strong Concacaf crop of teams. That would be supported by the fact that not only Mexico, but the US along with Costa Rica (3 out of 4 Concacaf teams) advanced to the R-16. But even that is not entirely convincing since Honduras was pretty rubbish and they had finished above Mexico.

    At the end of the day, football isn't rocket science and not everything about it fits even the most meticulous and carefully considered evaluation of the evidence. We do have surprises sometimes and Costa Rica was certainly a surprise in 2014.
     
  17. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I haven't thought about nearly enough, but there is also a chance that sides Costa Rica played were in decline or not as good as their pedigree. Certainly, Holland (missed out of 24-team Euro 2016) and Italy (up and down in recent years and missed out of this World Cup for the first time in ages) and Greece (didn't qualify this time and made the R16 playing their usual bunker ball) might not have been as good as advertised. However, at the end of the day, no one can deny that the results and performances from Costa Rica in 2014 showed them a quality side fully deserving to finish among the top 8 in Brazil.
     
  18. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    1.TYSKLAND - Muller, Ozil, Reus, Werner, Boateng, Kroos
    2.BRASILIEN - Neymar, Couthinho, Paulinho, Casemiro, Silva, Luiz
    3.FRANKRIKE - Pogba, Griezmann, Mbappe, Konte, Tolisso, Umtiti
    4.SPANIEN - Ramos, Isco, Silva, Alba, Iniesta, Busquet, Morata
    5.BELGIEN - Hazard, De Bruyne, Lukuku, Mertens, Witsel, Dembele, Vertonghen
    6.ARGENTINA - Messi, Aguero, Di Maria, Dybala, Otamendi, Perotti
    7.PORTUGAL - Ronaldo, A Silva, B Silva, Mouthinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Gomez
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    8.COLOMBIA - Falcao, Rodriguez, Mina, D Sanchez, Cuadrado, Muriel
    9.POLEN - Lewandowski, Milik, Krychowiak, Zielinski, Blaszczykowski, Szczesny
    10.ENGLAND - Rashford, Kane, Alili, Delph, Henderson, Sterling
    11.KROATIEN - Modric, Rakitic, Kovacic, Mandzukic, Kalinic, Persic
    12.SENEGAL - Mane, Balde, Niang, Sakho, Gueye, Koulibaly
    13.SCHWEIZ - Xhaka, Rodriguez, Lichsteiner, Shaqiri, Embolo, Schär.
    14.URUGUAY - Cavani, Suarez, Godin, Vecino, Bentancur, Gimenez
    15.RYSSLAND - Smolov, Kokorin, Dzyuba, Dzagoev, Glushakov, Golovin (I THINK THEY GONNA WAKE UP!!!!
    16..MEXIKO - Hernandez, Jimenez, Herrea, G Dos Santos, Guardado, Lozano
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    17.MAROCKO - Hakimi, Benatia, Ziyech, Obbadi, Boufai, Fajir
    18.NIGERIA - Mikel, Iwobi, Moses, Musa, Iheanacho, Ndidi
    19.DANMARK - Eriksen, Delaney, Poulsen, Wass, Kjaer, Christensen
    20.PERU - Guerrero, Farfan, Flores, Cueva, Carrillo, Tapia
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    21.SERBIEN - Matic, Savic, Maksimovic, Ljajic, Tadic, Grujic.
    22.SVERIGE - Granqvist, Lindelöf, Ekdal, Lustig, Augustinsson, Guidetti, Forsberg, Durmaz
    23.IRAN - Ghoochannejhad, Ghoddos, Hajsafi, Azmoun, Shojaei, Jahanbakhsh.
    24.JAPAN - Okazaki, Honda, Nagatomo, Hasebe, Yoshida, Sakai, Kagawa
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    25.EGYPTEN - Salah, Hegazi, Kouka, Sobhi, ElNeny, El Mohamady, Trezeguet
    26..ISLAND - B Bjarnason, Sigurosson, Sigurosson, Guömundsson, Gunnarsson, Siguröarson.
    27.TUNISIEN - Khazri, Mskani, S Ben Youssef, Abdennour, Sliti, Khenissi.
    28.AUSTRALIEN - Rogic, Jedinak, Mooy, Leckie Luongo, Smith.
    29.SYDKOREA - Son Heung-min, Sung-yueng, Lee Chung-yong, Ji Dong-won, Koo Ja-cheol.
    30.COSTA RICA - Campbell, Ruiz, Navas, Borges, Oviedo, Duarte, Gamboa.
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    31.SAUDIARABIEN - Fahad Al-Muwallad, Mukhtar Fallatah, Mohammad Al-Sahlawi, Salman Al-Moasher,
    32.PANAMA - Perez, Diaz, Cooper, G Torres, R Torres, Godoy, Machado,
     
  19. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    I have ofc forgot some important players.
     
  20. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018

    Yea, i think that group looked tougher on paper but again all credit to Costa rica.
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Are these your own rankings or from a Swedish publication?

    As for our players on your list, not bad. However, it doesn't seem Shojaie will be invited to our team, although I would like to have him in Russia. Ghoochannejad faces stiff competition and might not make the cut either (50/50). Haj Safie will almost certainly make the cut because he is versatile and plays several positions, but I am not sure he would be rated among our best. The best players for Iran would, IMO, be: Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun, M. Mohammadi, Ghoddos and Dejagah (aging but still good for 60-70 minutes). I would also add Ansarifard and Taremi as players who could shine and Ezatollahi (who will miss the Morocco match due to a red card he carries) is also an important player for us.
     
  22. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    My own ranking, but it can switch much with the teams.
    Oki oki, yea it was like for the users here too, with the players. And people can look at that. I know many dont agree with the ranking hehe
    Oki there you go hehe many errors in Iran players. Gotta change that
     
  23. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Alderweireld is top quality and definitely should be up there (over Witsel, Dembele, ...). Same for the likes of Nainggolan, Courtois, et al.
     
  24. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    yea agree, but when i started, i begun(began) with 5 players at every team, but now i just add great players
     
    Blondo repped this.
  25. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    oki thanks
     

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