Pots for WCQ 2010 - UEFA zone

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by Edgar, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    blatter secures votes and re-election in a number of ways. such as giving the smaller nations referees world cup matches that they obviously can't handle. another way is to give the smaller regions more qualifying spots. the cook islands vote counts as 1 vote, the exact same as brazil's does.
     
  2. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    FIFA changed the publishing date for the November rankings, from 21 (Wednesday) to 23, to include the EURO 2008 last qualifying matches.
     
  3. justboy

    justboy Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I like that group. Scotland would go unbeaten and Finland wouldn't be too far behind them.
     
  4. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    October update -> link.
     
  5. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    With 6 points against Bulgaria (away) and Albania (at home), Romania will be in the first pot at the expense of England or Croatia -> link.
     
  6. islotedi

    islotedi New Member

    Sep 29, 2007
    If the Albania win with Belarus and draw with Romania how points win for november coca cola ranking
     
  7. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    In case anyone else is interested in a compereson of the good old system and the new system with two games to go.
    Code:
           New UEFA system                    Old UEFA Sytem         Pot
    World   Team            Pts             Team          Pts/game  Change
    Ranking                Oct-07                            (Due to new system)
    -------------------------------Pot 1----------------------------------
      3     Italy           1387            Italy           2.300     =
      4     France          1271            Netherlands     2.500     =
      5     Germany         1245            Croatia         2.500     =
      6     Spain           1226            [COLOR="Red"]Sweden          2.350     -1[/COLOR] 
      7     Netherlands     1207            [COLOR="Red"]Romania         2.318     -1[/COLOR][COLOR="Green"]*[/COLOR]
      8     Portugal        1203            Germany         2.300     =
      9     Czech Rep       1174            England         2.286     =
     10     Croatia         1155            Czech Rep       2.273     =
     11     England         1137            Portugal        2.208     =
    -------------------------------Pot 2-----------------------------------
     12     Romania         1086            Poland          2.182     =
     13     Scotland        1049            [COLOR="Blue"]France          2.143     +1[/COLOR]
     14     Greece          1034            [COLOR="Blue"]Spain           2.100     +1[/COLOR]
     16     Russia           960            Greece          2.091     =
     20     Poland           837            Russia          2.000     =
     21     Norway           830            Serbia          1.909     =
     22     Ukraine          828            Norway          1.900     =
     24     Sweden           821            Ukraine         1.864     =
     27     Serbia           786            [COLOR="Red"]Turkey          1.864     -1[/COLOR]
    -------------------------------Pot 3-----------------------------------
     28     Turkey           771            Switzerland     1.800     =
     29     Denmark          769            Denmark         1.773     =
     32     Ireland          722            [COLOR="Blue"]Scotland        1.762     +1[/COLOR]
     34     Bulgaria         717            Israel          1.750     =
     36     N. Ireland       716            Bulgaria        1.700     =
     37     Israel           707            [COLOR="Red"]Slovakia        1.636     -1[/COLOR]
     41     Switzerland      676            Ireland         1.571     =
     44     Finland          667            [COLOR="Red"]Austria         1.500     -2[/COLOR]
     48     Hungary          630            Finland         1.500     =
    -------------------------------Pot 4-----------------------------------
     48     Bosnia           630            Bosnia          1.381     =[COLOR="Green"]@[/COLOR]
     50     Slovakia         600            [COLOR="Blue"]Hungary         1.300     +1[/COLOR]
     54     Belgium          577            [COLOR="Blue"]N. Ireland      1.300     +1[/COLOR]
     57     Cyprus           556            Belgium         1.227     =
     58     Wales            521            [COLOR="Red"]Slovenia        1.095     -1[/COLOR]
     61     Moldova          497            [COLOR="Red"]Latvia          1.091     -1[/COLOR]
     70     Albania          455            Albania         1.091     =
     71     Georgia          447            Wales           1.050     =
     75     Macedonia        423            [COLOR="Red"]Lithuania       1.000     -1[/COLOR]
    -------------------------------Pot 5-----------------------------------
     76     Slovenia         422            [COLOR="Red"]Estonia         0.913     -1[/COLOR]
     79     Iceland          410            [COLOR="Blue"]Macedonia       0.909     +1[/COLOR]
     82     Armenia          400            [COLOR="Blue"]Cyprus          0.900     +1[/COLOR]
     86     Latvia           386            [COLOR="Blue"]Georgia         0.870     +1[/COLOR]
     88     Austria          382            Belarus         0.850     =
     90     Lithuania        380            Armenia         0.727     =
     94     Belarus          358            [COLOR="Blue"]Moldova         0.667     +1[/COLOR]
    116     Azerbaijan       279            Liechtenstein   0.652     =
    119     Liechtenstein    262            Iceland         0.571     =
    -------------------------------Pot 6-----------------------------------
    122     Kazakhstan       249            Malta           0.400     =
    130     Estonia          211            [COLOR="Blue"]Azerbaijan      0.400     +1[/COLOR]
    137     Malta            196            Kazakhstan      0.333     =
    150     Luxembourg       132            Andorra         0.227     =
    171     Montenegro        65            Luxembourg      0.130     =
    173     Andorra           61            Faroe Islands   0.048     =
    194     Faroe Islands     12            Montenegro      0.000     =
    196     San Marino         6            San Marino      0.000     =
    
    * Romania is likely to be in pot 1 under the new system since Croatia still has to play in England.
    @ Depending on the tie breaker under the new system Bosnia might move up in place of Hungary.

    The big losers are:
    • Sweden - from a near certain 1 to a 2 (maybe 3 if things go wrong).
    • Austria - from a 3 to a 5 (no one will want them as a pot 5 team).
    • Estonia - from the brink of pot 4 to pot 6.

    The big winners are:
    • France and Spain (especially if either fails to qualify to Euro 2008, what a surprise :rolleyes:).
    • ...
    • ...
    • Scotland - from pot 3 to 2 and might end up in 1 with some breaks.

    The new System might give us:
    1. Germany
    2. England
    3. Denmark
    4. Slovakia
    5. Austria
    6. ------
     
  8. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    According to my calculations, you should gain around 55 points.

    P.S. I don't always get the same point totals as FIFA.
     
  9. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Croatia's fight for the first pot -> link.
     
  10. islotedi

    islotedi New Member

    Sep 29, 2007
    EDGAR
    Thank you for the answer.
     
  11. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    FIFA miscalculated the rankings -> link.
     
  12. wombacik

    wombacik Member

    Apr 20, 2007
    Oh man! You got a lot of spare time, don't you? :) Respect!
     
  13. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    FIFA miscalculated the rankings... or did they? -> link.
     
  14. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Yeah, when I saw your first post I figured something like that had happened.
     
  15. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Final fight for the first pot -> link.
     
  16. reccos94

    reccos94 New Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Ok, let me get this straight. Croatia has the best record in qualifying for Euro '08 and WC '06, and is the only team that's undefeated in that time, and if they lose to England (which they probably will since they will have clinched top spot in the group on Saturday against Macedonia), they will drop to #10 in Europe and be a #2 seed. That is beyond ridiculous. Romania will pass them even if they lose to Bulgaria? And Romania lost 3 qualifiers for WC 2006.

    Right now Croatia is ahead of England, but if Croatia wins against Macedonia and England ties their exhibition match, and then Croatia tie their match in England, England will pass them as well. Insane.

    So Croatia could be the only true #1 seed in Euro 2008 (Austria, Switzerland are hosts and Greece as defending champions are the other top seeds of the 4 groups), but they aren't one of the top 9 seeds for World Cup qualifying. What an absolute joke. FIFA should be abolished.
     
  17. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  18. reccos94

    reccos94 New Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    That's the problem with FIFA. Friendlies should not count in rankings. They're exhibition games. Who cares? Half the starters play in these games. For a team who has not lost a competitive game to another European team in 3 and a half years to possibly be ranked 10th in Europe is utterly ridiculous, I don't care what the rankings say.
     
  19. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    I disagree, I think friendlies have to count. But the way they're factored in is seriously flawed.
     
  20. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    In this case, the problem is not with the FIFA Ranking taking friendlies into account (this is a legitimate thing for a ranking system with few official games per year). The problem is that UEFA switched from a solid system (points per game over the last two qualifiers) to the FIFA ranking system which is inferior.
     
  21. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Final fight for the first pot (II) -> link.
     
  22. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    In case anyone still cares.

    This is how the race for the pots would look under the old system
    Code:
    [B]Team           Gm Left Ave  Min  Max[/B]
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 1 -------------[/COLOR]
    Italy          21   1  2.33 2.23 2.36
    Netherlands    23   1  2.52 2.42 2.54
    Croatia        21   1  2.38 2.27 2.41
    Germany        11   1  2.36 2.17 2.42
    Czech Rep      23   1  2.30 2.21 2.33
    England        21   1  2.29 2.18 2.32
    Portugal       25   1  2.24 2.15 2.27
    Sweden         21   1  2.24 2.14 2.27
    Poland         23   1  2.22 2.13 2.25
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 2 -------------[/COLOR]
    Romania        23   1  2.22 2.13 2.25
    France         21   1  2.14 2.05 2.18
    Spain          21   1  2.14 2.05 2.18
    Greece         23   1  2.13 2.04 2.17
    Russia         23   1  1.91 1.83 1.96
    Turkey         23   1  1.91 1.83 1.96
    Serbia         22   2  1.91 1.75 2.00
    Norway         21   1  1.81 1.73 1.86
    Israel         21   1  1.81 1.73 1.86
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 3 -------------[/COLOR]
    Switzerland    10   0  1.80 1.80 1.80
    Ukraine        23   1  1.78 1.71 1.83
    Bulgaria       21   1  1.76 1.68 1.82
    Denmark        23   1  1.70 1.63 1.75
    Scotland       22   0  1.68 1.68 1.68
    Slovakia       23   1  1.57 1.50 1.63
    Finland        25   1  1.56 1.50 1.62
    Ireland        22   0  1.55 1.55 1.55
    Austria        10   0  1.50 1.50 1.50
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 4 -------------[/COLOR]
    Bosnia         21   1  1.38 1.32 1.45
    N. Ireland     21   1  1.38 1.32 1.45
    Hungary        21   1  1.24 1.18 1.32
    Latvia         23   1  1.17 1.13 1.25
    Belgium        23   1  1.17 1.13 1.25
    Slovenia       21   1  1.10 1.05 1.18
    Lithuania      21   1  1.10 1.05 1.18
    Albania        23   1  1.09 1.04 1.17
    Wales          21   1  1.05 1.00 1.14
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 5 -------------[/COLOR]
    Estonia        24   0  1.00 1.00 1.00
    FYR Macedonia  23   1  1.00 0.96 1.08
    Georgia        23   1  0.87 0.83 0.96
    Belarus        21   1  0.86 0.82 0.95
    Cyprus         21   1  0.86 0.82 0.95
    Moldova        22   0  0.77 0.77 0.77
    Armenia        23   1  0.70 0.67 0.79
    Liechtenstein  24   0  0.63 0.63 0.63
    Iceland        21   1  0.57 0.55 0.68
    [COLOR="Blue"]----------------- Pot 6 -------------[/COLOR]
    Malta          21   1  0.38 0.36 0.50
    Azerbaijan     21   1  0.38 0.36 0.50
    Kazakhstan     24   2  0.33 0.31 0.54
    Andorra        23   1  0.22 0.21 0.33
    Luxembourg     24   0  0.13 0.13 0.13
    Faroe Islands  21   1  0.05 0.05 0.18
    San Marino     21   1  0.00 0.00 0.14
    Montenegro
    
     
  23. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    It's important, because that's how the Euro 2008 pots will be decided.

    If we assume Portugal, Turkey, Sweden, and England as qualifiers, then the pots currently look like this:

    1: Austria, Switzerland, Greece, Netherlands
    2: Italy, Croatia, Germany, Czech
    3: England, Portugal, Sweden, Poland
    4: Romania, France, Spain, Turkey

    Here's a mock draw:

    A: Switzerland, Italy, Portugal, Romania
    B: Austria, Croatia, England, Turkey
    C: Greece, Czech, Sweden, Spain
    D: Netherlands, Germany, Poland, France
     
  24. camerondocherty

    camerondocherty New Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    nj
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    group of death for sure, germany and holland go through
     
  25. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    A quick look at the pots -> link.
     

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