Potential 2026 WC Hosts (Update: UEFA, AFC Ineligible)

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  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
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    It would be moot if tickets are already sold to Iranian supporters who A) already live here B) Know how to travel here legally and follow protocals that I am sure will be in place for special sporting events such as this one.

    Whether or not you admit the USA is the best host site is irrelevant. :D
     
  2. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
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    Well, you have a very big confussion.

    The WC is suposed to be for fans of all the world, the same.

    Not "only" for fans of diferent countries, whoms origins may be from all around the world, but still only live in the same country.

    How tickets sell, for a specific WC, is completely irrelevant.

    Now, if you still want to have something "locally", you can have a tournament organized by your local FA which if you wish you can call it the WC, but not the FIFA WC.
     
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  3. Sandinista

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    Apr 11, 2010
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    Hey, a little bit off-topic (not that much):

    Could someone remind me what happens when there's a double host regarding their qualification? Korea-Japan were both automatically classified right?

    Is that still the case? What would happen with a triple country host (for ex. Canadá-USA-México)? And what happens to that confederation qualifiers, do they fight for less spots, or what?
     
  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Or maybe you are the one with the confusion.

    FIFA could care less what people think will be an issue as long as tickets are sold and supporters of each team are well represented.

    People here talking about the USA not getting a World Cup because of some political issue are missing the big picture and talking about things that won't really matter in the end.
     
  5. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Moderator
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    Oct 24, 1999
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    If they already live in the US they are irrelevant to the discussion. If you want to brag about US diversity this really isn't the moment. The argument concerns ease of travel and the notion of "fairness" around it. I already mentioned the underlying political realities and why you will never get an ideal hosting scenario that ticks all the fan-travel boxes. Having said that it's easy for those of us with "good" passports to take our travel experiences for granted. We don't have to worry about getting to the World Cup. We get to worry about the entertainment options in Doha.
    There is no way a country like the US will relax visa requirements for a sporting event. Perhaps for the players (to at least maintain the integrity of the competition) but certainly not the fans. Although even the players are not a given in lower profile competitions. I have lost count when visiting clubs in the CONCACAF Champions League had to leave players behind because they didn't get a visa.
     
  6. HomietheClown

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    Both Japan and Korea got automatic host spots.
    I assume the Triple automatic could happen but it would have to be voted upon.
    And it probably would pass since 48 teams with three automatic spots is not that egregious if two automatic spots were alloted in a 32 team tournament.
     
  7. HomietheClown

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    Maybe I misread the thread but people who brought up the issues were trying to figure out if it would possibly be an issue/deterrent in the USA's bid for 2026.

    You made it more about the political fairness which is why I am saying it is moot.
     
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  8. deejay

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    Feb 14, 2000
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    Yes politics are of some importance to the WC bid but they pale in comparison to the internal politics of FIFA. To put it simply, the 2026 WC has been handed over to the US gift wrapped and this was on purpose. There are multiple reasons for Infantino to keep the US happy and involved in soccer. Because they are a big television market, because they are check on the power of UEFA and because they are part of Infantino's power base. In comparison to all these things, Trump is a tiny concern. Just like there was little issue with Putin or with Qatar's human rights record.
     
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  9. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
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    Well, during a WC, it is only FIFA whom is in charge of selling the tickets, as it is one of their main revenue sources, which always have been sold worldwide, with no restrictions of any kind (and FIFA always pretends to continue having it that way).

    WC tickets, is not something over which the local government has anything to say about it or not.

    And if FIFA doesn't have the local government guarantee that their interests will not be affected, specially when local authorities impose bans on potential traveling fans from elsewhere, whom legally bought those tickets to FIFA, the country who wants to host the WC, simply can't host it.
    It is as simple as that, and something over which FIFA never negotiates.
     
  10. almango

    almango Member

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    Nov 29, 2004
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    When Japan and Korea co hosted it was the first time in Asia. Fifa originally gave Asia four spots including the hosts. They ha 3.5 in 1998. Asia threatened a boycott that the other countries only had two spots between them and in a compromise uefa gave up half a spot so Asia had 4.5 in total. They kept this number after a reshuffle. With so many extra spots I would think co hosts or tri hosts would just use up confederation spots
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Moderator
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    Oct 24, 1999
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    I did not raise the notion of political fairness, I merely acknowledged it and then elaborated why visa requirements can not be a major consideration in the bidding process. Provided of course they don't stray drastically from the international norm. For example Saudi Arabia does not issue tourist visas period. Trump's executive orders, while concerning, don't affect a US bid yet in my opinion. If more countries start to get included we will have to reassess. Similarly I don't see Qatar's ban of Israeli citizens as a deal-breaker as long as the players get to participate in order to maintain competition integrity.

    Again, the key is to rotate the tournament to various regions in the world to side-step political conflict and allow fans of multiple backgrounds to attend a World Cup at some point.
     
  12. zahzah

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    Jun 27, 2011
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    Maybe it was gift-wrapped, but Trump is not a tiny concern. The ban on muslims is a major concern. Putin or Qatar may have poor human rights records, but they won't be blocking fans or players from attending the tournament. As far as international tournaments are concerned this is the ONLY thing that is a gamechanger. As far as Israel and Qatar is concerned - this ban is less problematic given the low probability of Israel making it, as compared to the probability of Iran or Iraq.

    The only saving grace is that Trump should in theory be long gone by 2026 as should his idiotic ban.
     
  13. Nico Limmat

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    While Trump has been quite explicit on his world view during the election campaign this isn't a blanket muslim ban yet. Trump's Saudi friends can still travel to Las Vegas. It's seven countries, several of which don't have proper functioning governments. Let's see how things develop further.
     
  14. zahzah

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    Jun 27, 2011
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    True but Iraq and Iran are huge concerns. I can't see AFC letting this fly, especially given the pull China has. I think Asia will be a pretty united front. How will Africa and Europe react though?
     
  15. HomietheClown

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    #1015 HomietheClown, Jan 30, 2017
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    People are making a mountain out of a molehill with this vetting process/ refugee entering the country process crap.
    From what I have read the cap of 50,000 people being allowed into the country correlates with recent past figures which no one really complained about back then.
    IT is all just crazy political banter which once again will be moot when it comes to a World Cup and who it gets awarded to.
     
  16. HomietheClown

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    #1016 HomietheClown, Jan 30, 2017
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    According to what I have heard there can be exceptions and special provisions implemented by the Secretary of State on a case-by -case basis and when it pertains to benefiting the National interest of the United States.

    I assume hosting the biggest Sporting even in the history of the world would be evaluated as a part of those exceptions.
    I could be wrong. /*shrugs*.
     
  17. 1Hughjarse

    1Hughjarse New Member

    Jan 21, 2017
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    Hi, is there a "Euro 2024 host" thread anywhere here? Can't find one.
    How do u set up a new thread?
     
  18. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member

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    The current over/under on how long Trump lasts in office is 3 years.
     
  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

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    #1019 Rickdog, Jan 31, 2017
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    How is that so ?

    wasn't it 4 years, for every presidential term in the USA ?

    Asuming he doesn't get re-elected, his presidential term lasts till January 2021.
     
  20. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    This is true, but there are numerous ways he could fail to finish his term. He could die (he's 70 years old), he could be impeached, he could resign in a hissy fit, he could have the 25th Amendment invoked on him (which I'm pretty sure was designed to allow the VP to take over if the President is incapacitated for health reasons, though some columnists have already started to wildly speculate that Trump's mental state could be a pretext for invoking it should he prove too dangerous to lead during a crisis.)

    Anyway, while I think at this point it's a pipe dream given Republican control of Congress, it speaks to how historically awful Trump is that people are presuming he'll commit impeachment level offenses.

    And bringing it back to this thread, yes, I think Trump will have a detrimental impact on US ability to get the World Cup. Not necessarily impossible to overcome, but certainly not helpful to the US bid one bit.
     
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  21. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    At this rate he might not last a month.
     
  22. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
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    I feel that England should get to host it a second time before the USA. Also, a combined Netherlands/Belgium and Peru hosting it is overdue, not to mention Argentina holding it again, they deserve a chance for a tournament without all the rubbish associated with WC78. For Africa, Morocco is very enticing, although Nigeria likely has first dibs. The only Middle Eastern nations that should host it in the near future are Iran and perhaps a combined Israel/Jordan/Lebanon. But Asia/OFC as a whole have many interesting options.
     
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  23. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
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    Nigeria's economy is in all sorts of bother and the Nigeria FA is broke. That said the private sector, including innovation, is still booming and they are basically keeping the economy alive. The old sectors meanwhile are crumbling.

    Nigeria won't be attempting to host anything soon unless some Nigerian billionaire throws cash at the tournament.
     
  24. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member

    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
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    Keep in mind, they'd get Pence, who most congressional republicans would prefer. And if Pence gets wrapped up in it, then they get Ryan, so....
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Normally I would say no-way the US gets to host if the current POTUS’ travel policy is still in place, but its FIFA so….

    I mean I would expect UN events and conferences to start pulling out of the US and other like-minded organizations. But again, here we’re talking about FIFA so…

    My vote goes to Australia/NZ. A world apart from the nonsense going on in the US.
     

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