Rumor: Post World Cup Coaching Search Thread

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  1. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    #1851 villus, Jan 13, 2019
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    Yeah I was critical of Pekerman being so defensive and didn't agree with it. I'm Fine withe being defensive and Pekerman tended to go more defensive based on the players he had available, but he also consistently played very attacking from 2012-2014 when we had the players. I'm fine with defensive when its needed, but it can't be the default with our squad of players, we have soooo much attacking talent in Quintero and James and in order to maximize their talent we need to have the ball and be on the front foot and that isn't Quiroz's style.

    For example Mourinho is a defensive coach who can't coach attacking soccer and doesn't have a philosophy that involves a lot of possession and isn't going to be at his best coaching that type of team with those type of players, looking at our squad and I think our two key attacking players are Quintero and James and in order to max their potential and get them both playing together we have to have a coach who is comfortable and able to set a team to go out and dominate take risks and attack, I think Pekerman wanted to do that but without James he didn't do it.
     
  2. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Just say good bye to creative entertaining football and say hello to a consistent and well deciplined team with a lot of 1-0 boring scorelines. Sir Alex Ferguson: "CQ is King of defense."
     
  3. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    If it wins us the next copa America I’ll be happy

    Want to see Neymar cry when we beat them
    In the final on Pks
     
  4. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    There wasn’t really much creative/entertaining fútbol from us during the 14-18 cycle. We played a scrappy style with a handful of flashes of “entertainment”. Maybe the 3-0 Poland game was the most entertaining game we had the entire cycle.

    We played 50 games last cycle and averaged 1.4 goals a game with 24 clean sheets during all matches - friendlies, Copa America, wcq and World Cup. The 1-0 games are not a concern.

    The interesting challenge will be having the opportunity to get Uribe/James/JFQ playing together at the same time. If those 3 are available, it would be very difficult to not use them at the same time. Although I can see Lerma-Barrios working together in some games too instead of Uribe-Barrios or Uribe-Lerma
     
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  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    If Carlos wants to win as Colombian manager he better start 2 creative players.
    A midfield of James and JuanFer is ideal for creativity and passing genius..

    If he only starts one of those guys he is only tightening his own noose for losses.
     
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  6. +PL+

    +PL+ Member+

    Jun 22, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    CQ loves deep pressing defensive formation (4-2-3-1) with tall and strong CBs who are successful on aerial match ups, and strong and fast LBs and RBs. He relies on DMs a lot in this formation and uses 2 DMs if he goes against tough opponents. He uses one CF and feed him through wingers most of the time. What I have noticed was that he doesn't like creative play makers who are short or have weak physics. He would rather add another DM who can pass the ball around but can be reliable on defensive duties. All of players should contribute in defensive tactics even the CF otherwise they will be sitting on the bench or will be discarded. He is very sensitive on deciplinary issues .One wrong move in training, history of violence, or fiery interview against him in media, and you will be on his black list and never will be called again even if you are Lionel Messi. He will experiment first with your players but when he found the desired players, he will stick to them unless they have repeatitive blunders in several matches. In this case he is very conservative and stuborn. He won't listen to media or critics which can be good or bad depends on the situation. He is a good youth scout, so the young talents can cheer if CQ stays till 2022 WC.

    Recently, CQ has been experimenting with high pressing formation tactics which had mixed resulta for Iran but I think he is moving toward a more offensive type of game plan in general. He might find the right ingeredients in Colombia for his new style of football.
     
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  7. dirtysanchez

    dirtysanchez Member

    Jul 11, 2007
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Mojica, Lerma, and Barrios will be important for CQ. Quintero won't get a chance.
     
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  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    So based on that:

    ---------------Ospina--------------

    Palacios---Mina----Bernado----Mojica (assuming he is healthy)

    -----------------Barrios-----Lerma---------
    ----------------------Uribe-----------

    ---Cuadrado--------------------------------James


    -------------------Duvan-------------------------






    Lord help us.



    Hopefully he changes his ways and is advised by someone in the Colombian Federation (like the Reyes rumors we have read)

    Or else it is going to be rough to watch these guys this cycle.
     
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  9. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The good thing is on paper we have more offensive talent on paper than Portugal’s 2010 WC team and both of Iran’s WC teams.

    For all the criticism I give Bacca, even he is better than any of the strikers CQ had at his disposal. Maybe he can find a way to get Bacca to bring out his his club form for Colombia???

    Guess we will just have to wait and see
     
  10. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    FYI last reports on Mojica I read are that he’s done for the season.

    Unless Fabra can make a strong comeback, it’s going to be Deiver and Borja duking it out for LB.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    If fuentes keep his form in libertadores from the last year, he should be an option.........levante was interested in him
     
  12. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia




     
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  13. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Welp... At least Reyes Will get some useful experience from this, for all the cons I see from hiring Queiroz I've chosen to see that as the Silver lining.
     
  14. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I just hope for the best, but my gut tells me that we are going to suffer a lot the next cycle :(
     
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  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Regardless of the coach, suffering is in our footballing DNA. The main thing would be if Queiroz decides to build up on what Pekerman left or if he decides that he needs to start from scratch. On paper, the formations used by Reyes should be the starting point for Queiroz and if he manages to get a more solid defense without sacrificing much on offense, we should be OK.

    Besides, it's not like he will have a lot of (or not enough) talent to tinker with lineups; I think that 8 out of the 11 positions are set (plus solid subs at CB/DM/AM), and that what he can do with the other 3 comes down only partially to tactics, and a lot to who is available.
     
  16. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    For 2-3 million a season we should get a top coach that we aren’t crapping our pants over.

    Why not just give Tolimas coach the nod? Or have given Osorio the shot for 1 million he made in Mexico. Other then going let’s get a euro coach just to have one and not have a coach for 6 months to save money.

    Wonder if they are planning on firing him after Copa america if he doesn’t win to promote Reyes to #1. This huge Reyes push is unwarranted. Is he related to someone in the federation or is he their new Bolillo and will just agree to any of the bullshit they throw his way?

    Block these 20 players. Sure. Call these 23. Sounds good!
     
  17. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    A coach with success only at the local level or a coach so inconsistent that beat Germany but crapped in his pants against Sweden, in back to back games.

    Not saying that you're not correct, but FWIW, can you point out which player was undeserving of his call up in the two games under Reyes.
     
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  18. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't really care as long as we get there. Also I think that CONMEBOL have an extra slot now for WCQ, we'd have to be pretty horrible to not make the WC
     
  19. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Be careful with those words....we may find a way to underachieve our way to make the next WC by the skin of our teeth. :)
     
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  20. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    So given that Japan and Mexico/Peru are our next opponents in March's friendlies I expect things to be official before we enter March...
     
  21. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Interest article about Queiroz:

    https://m.eltiempo.com/deportes/fut...s-queiroz-probable-tecnico-de-colombia-314156



    Y cuando se compra maní no se tuestan almendras. Si a Pékerman lo quemaron los pregoneros por “defensivo” contra Inglaterra, por “no tener la pelota”, pues... escoger a un DT como Queiroz es también un acto de independencia de la Federación frente a los falsos profetas que, ojalá, se refleje en un equipo alejado de la prensa oficial, de los oficialistas y zalameros.

    Los intelectuales del juego –‘eruditos del concepto’– y los analistas silvestres que solo entienden el fútbol como ofensiva, como ataque (¡muy válido, también, por supuesto!), olvidan que la famosa Selección del ‘toque-toque’ que se inventó Pacho Maturana hace 30 años y que prosiguió ‘Bolillo’ Gómez hace 20, era defensiva al punto que le dijeron que su táctica era la 10-1. Se olvidó, porque la memoria es selectiva, que tenía la pelota pero para defenderse y que cuando quisieron ser ofensivos entre Rumania y EE. UU. lo liquidaron en la primera ronda del Mundial de 1994. Se olvidó que el glorioso 5-0 contra Argentina fueron cinco contragolpes.Se olvidó que los partidos elogiados por todos en la eliminatoria a Rusia fueron en los que hubo menos posesión de bola y que esperando y siendo verticales se gozó el Mundialazo de Brasil.

    La hipocresía que existe con el fútbol defensivo es mayúscula: cuando gana Francia el Mundial o el Atlético de Madrid de Simeone, o es campeón la Grecia de la Eurocopa o el Caldas de la Libertadores o el Santa Fe de la Suramericana encerrados, ahí sí es tema de sabios tácticos y se celebra en odas a la estrategia, poemas al orden y baladas al coraje. Es hipocresía, porque cuando se pierde con una apuesta defensiva o se enfrenta a un rival cerrado, maldicen a los ‘avaros y mezquinos’ demonios del antifútbol.
     
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  22. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    would be very colombian of us
     
  23. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Why not go 2002 or 2006? Just as likely, Venezuela and Paraguay will probably get in the fight with the new generations that are coming.
     
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  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Thats true but i dont see a lot of future for chileans and peruvians........ecuador is weird too.......
     
  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Everyone suffers in CONMEBOL qualifying..

    Even Brasil before they hired Tite.
     
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