Post-match: Post-Match: Columbus v Philly

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Kyle Crew, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. coachchris

    coachchris Member

    Feb 19, 2007
    Galloway, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I Think we lacked speed all over the field tonight. Mensah and Gaston could not recover quickly enough on counters, Clark was no help there, Pipa has lost a step or two, maybe Afful, too. Add in Artur being a little gimpy, we were always a step behind. I thought we showed a spark after Argudo came on, same with Sosa, but it was too little, too late. I think Porter opted for experience over youth and speed. I suppose he needed to evaluate the bench, hopefully he's learned.

    Second, we had a lot of bad passing, some right to the opponents, some too soft, some to no where. Philly was swarming us, yet we insisted on trying passes under 10 yards, instead of trying to get clear of the swarm. There were a number of times when our guys were receiving passes without opening up, which left them with few options. Receiving was also bad, lots of balls tanked off by 5 yards.

    Last, I think a lot of players were playing last year's game, slow and low, not very aggressive, no shots.

    The last two complaints can be fixed in training. Speed is harder to train, I think Jimenez got faster during Ggg's time, but I don't think Clark, Pipa, or a couple others are going to do that.
     
  2. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    It's an explanation not an excuse. There is a reason Clark,Jiminez and Mullins are no longer starters in this league. I'm sure I don't have to explain the difference between Steffen and Bendick. Both teams were closer to USL than MLS last night and we came up short. That's the silly league we watch.
     
  3. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Beers? You suckered him out of a gin and tonic.
     
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  4. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    (Disclaimer)
    I have nothing against you ColumbusOwl, and the following rant really isn't directed at you, but I will quote your post since I've seen this sentiment shared by a few people, including Dwight on the broadcast.

    Possession
    Who the fvck cares about possession? Overall possession was:

    Columbus: 55%
    Philly: 45%

    It's how you use it that matters. So, for example these two nuggets:

    Total Passes Attempted:
    Total: Columbus 580 / Philly 478 (Columbus + 102)
    Backwards: Columbus 80 / Philadelphia 79 (Columbus +1)
    Sideways: Columbus 326 / Philadelphia 232 (Columbus +94)
    Forward: Columbus 174 / Philadelphia 167 (Columbus +7)

    Cbus had overall 102 more passes than Philly, though out of those 94 were sideways. For non-math buffs, that's 92% of those extra passes.

    Also, let's look at where each team on the field controlled the ball.

    Part of Field Pass Was Intended For:
    Defensive Third: Columbus 161 / Philadelphia 85 (Columbus +76)
    Mid Third : Columbus 316 / Philadelphia 255 (Columbus +61)
    Attacking Third: Columbus 149 / Philadelphia 168 (Philadelphia +19)

    So, despite out possessing and out-passing Philly, they had more passes played in the final third that us. To further illustrate this point, let's look at some charts:

    Columbus Passes in the Penalty Area: 4
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    Philadelphia Passes in the Penalty Area: 11
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    Despite all that possession, Philly had nearly TRIPLE the amount of passes in the penalty area than Cbus did.

    Columbus Touches in the Penalty Area: 10
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    Philadelphia Touches in the Penalty Area: 25
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    2.5 times as many touches in the penalty area. Thank god we had those extra hundred passes in the defensive two thirds of the field though, that beautiful sideways play really had Philly right where we wanted them!!

    Pressing
    What pressure did we put on Philly? Cause the stats say otherwise.

    Tackles Attempted:
    Cbus 24 / Philly 27 (Philly +3)

    Tackles Succesful:
    Cbus 16 / Philly 20 (Philly +4)

    Tackles Attempted in Opponent's Half:
    Cbus 6 / Philly 9 (Philly +3)

    Interceptions:
    Cbus 10 / Philly 15 (Philly +5)

    Interceptions in Opponent's Half:
    Cbus 1 / Philly 5 (Philly +4)

    Blocks in Opponent's Half:
    Cbus 2 / Philly 3 (Philly +1)

    Possession Lost in Own Half:
    Cbus 8 / Philly 2 (Cbus +6)

    Immense pressure we put them under indeed!!

    Now, I don't wanna hear that we didn't have Trapp, Zardes, Steffen, and Francis. Philly didn't have Blake, Burke, Fabian, and Creaville. We all know about the offseason, that's fine. Porter had a chance to change things at halftime last night, just to try something new, FVCKING ANYTHING, and did absolutely nothing. On top of that, he played Pipa 90 minutes. Seriously, why?

    I'm not on the fire Porter bandwagon yet, but I'm very concerned that he doesn't seem capable of changing formations, tactics, anything. Hell, even GB went to a 3 man defense every once in a while, especially to close out games. If GB can be semi-flexible, Porter should be too. Play direct, play with 2 strikers, play with 5 at the back, anything other than the norm when getting destroyed, or heavily rotating the squad.
     
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  5. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blake vs Coropel (or whatever his name is) is a similar talent gap. EPL teams have wanted to sign Blake, but he has work permit issues. He's also Jamaica's Steffen basically, their starting goalkeeper for the next decade.

    Philly was missing Fabian, when healthy, a starter for the full Mexican national team. Trapp or Zardes aren't on that level.

    i take you're point that it's an explanation, not an excuse, but don't make it sound like our losses are worse. I'd say they're about even.
     
  6. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #31 Ch(Elsey), Mar 24, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
    You must be still drunk. I meant by the opposing home fans.

    So glad you got old.
     
  7. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    At one point, Commonwealth athletes were eased in. I wonder when they changed that.
     
  9. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't know, but Kamar Lawrence of NYRB has had similar issues. EPL teams have been rumored to be sniffing around him for a couple years now.
     
  10. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's wrong with the Crew, say everything, everything! [emoji445]
     
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  11. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I recall that being the case, too. But I think the UK tightened those rules quite a while ago. From what I've read, it's up to each Commonwealth nation to define what status being a citizen of another Commonwealth nation gives someone in that particular country.
     
  12. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I ain't too proud to bat my eyelashes and shake my ass a bit.
     
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  13. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I know when Hull City was in our first EPL season we were looking at a Jamaican and the rules were more relaxed. That was over ten years and quite a bit of bourbon ago.
     
  14. redi44crew

    redi44crew Member+

    Mar 27, 2007
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    You took a chance that those Philly fans didn't spike your drink. That's as dangerous as playing the ball back to Steve Clarke's feet.
     
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  15. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And how
     
  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know zero about this guy but if hes Jamaican then hes a citizen of a Commonwealth country and by definition doesn't need a permit to work in Britain

    Edit: just saw the comments above. Maybe things have changed but I find it hard to believe. England has been trying to emphasize the advantages of the Commonwealth of late. I can hardly believe they'd be cutting out the worker movement rights.
     
  17. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's referred to as "the right of abode" in the UK:
    https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode

    Regarding Commonwealth citizens, it's somewhat complicated, but in general, no, Commonwealth citizens do not have the right of abode in the UK:

    https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode/commonwealth-citizens

    Commonwealth citizens only have the right of abode is they can qualify for it via their parents or through marriage (but only if you're a female Commonwealth citizen).

    Even if you qualify via the above guidelines, for athletes, I don't think it would matter. You need to have been a Commonwealth citizen on December 31, 1982 in order to qualify through the parental route. Meaning, even if you were born on that day, you'd be 36 years old today (turning 37 in December), which is a bit old for the Premiership.
     
  18. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too soon, man.
     
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  19. Coupe

    Coupe Member+

    Mar 3, 2007
    The Crew were weak down the middle. Forward, midfield and goalkeeper. Wings were already iffy. No strong point on the team without Nat players.
     
  20. Big J 0526

    Big J 0526 Member+

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Sep 8, 2010
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ouch. between this, and paul dolan telling indians fans to fahk themselves because he wont even try to resign lindor.......
     
  21. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am 100% with this.

    But I also think we downgraded the HC position. Porter's inflexibility and penchant for playing Pipa 90' are worrisome.

    The previous regime's neglect to form an effective affiliate or own a USL team has put us years behind other MLS teams in terms of player development. We do not have much in the pipeline.
     
  22. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to wait to make that decree.

    If you remember, there is a vocal part of our supposed fan base that thinks Gregg is a horrible coach even after doing what he did with so little help from the FO.

    I did think Pipa could have been subbed out when it was clear we had no chance but I also think Porter may have thought subbing him out was waiving a white flag which he was not about to do 3 games in.

    We have to give Porter the benefit of the doubt until the FO can get their feet under themselves and their concern can turn away from building the structure of the business and focus on the building of a roster.
     
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  23. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I'm quoting this part because it needs repeating.
     
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  24. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes and no. Long term, sure, Porter needs to get in players he wants, and out players he doesn’t. Precourt sabotage, lack of time, blah blah blah.

    Short term, when the offense has been shit for three games, and you’re getting smashed 2-0 at the half of the fourth game, you better change something to start the second half. Nope, same tactics, same formation, same players. And throughout the second half, it only gets worse, and nothing changes except hopeless like for like subs. That was bad. Real bad. Porter should’ve been able to change things up.

    I’m not saying fire him, but something as fundamental as that is worrying.
     
  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who else could he have brought in?

    Drop a defender and add an attacker, sure, but we are three games in and goal differential matters. You don’t want to lose by 5.

    I just think you are over reacting.
     

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