Post-match: Post-Election: Self-Criticism and Struggle Sessions

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  1. appoo

    appoo Member+

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    They're the Wives of the white folks who voted Trump, and they saw what the modern economy did to their families.

    It was non-college educated white woman who broke for Trump in huge numbers. Educated white woman, I believe, broke for Clinton.
     
  2. roadkit

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    I was surprised to find Trump received fewer white votes than Romney did when he was defeated by Obama 4 years ago. The post-election rhetoric would lead you to believe otherwise. I haven't had time to dig into the numbers (the previous observation was from a discussion on MSNBC) but I think they are going to be fascinating.
     
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  3. American Brummie

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    I was not. The GOP has been losing votes steadily over the past sixteen years. Their base is *literally* dying.

    The failure of the "news" to understand basic mathematics, really. If 125k Democratic people, split 75-25-25 across PA, MI, and WI, had voted this year, Hillary would be President. That 125k could also (falsely, really, because that's not how voting decisions work) be interpreted as converting 68k Trump votes to Hillary votes amongst those three states. That's a tiny margin given how many Democrats didn't vote this time around in those states.

    Agreed. Dave Leip's Election Atlas has been...broken...the last two days as a result of site maintenance and traffic deluge. When it's back up, we'll see that Trump's ground game was awful, but Hillary turned away Democratic men in the Rust Belt. And that, as they say, made all the difference.

    Scott Walker called for the elimination of the Senate filibuster.
     
  4. Rossonero23

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    anyone else looking forward to trump nominating cruz as one of the justices??? personally, i can't wait!!

    cruzer!! :cool:
     
  5. Knave

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    I've been watching video of protesters shut down the 101 freeway in Los Angeles. They're being identified as Clinton supporters, but they're not. They're actually protestors from a group called Socialist Alternative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Alternative_(United_States)

    Check their website, and you'll see they weren't Clinton voters: http://www.socialistalternative.org/

    More proof they didn't vote Clinton, check their latest newsletter: http://www.socialistalternative.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/SA-27-web.pdf

    These idiots are not helping. Not one bit. They are making all this even worse. And these idiots are why I hate damned, useless lefties.

    And, again, these stupid assholes are being identified in the media as Clinton voters.
     
  6. DoyleG

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    They've been identified as SA in Seattle given that the protests is led by the on SA politician elected in the US.

    and she is a bonna fide nut case.
     
  7. Knave

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  8. Knave

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    Except these protestors in LA didn't vote for Clinton.

    They might have voted for Stein or La Riva, or they might not have voted at all.

    But Clinton voters they were not.
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

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    Ah. Good place to start my thread-surfing: Another example of the national media over-simplifying, or otherwise misreading an event.
     
  10. ceezmad

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    CNN said this last night, SA organized the protest and people showed up, At least one of the interviewed voted Clinton, another one did not vote. They are supposed to be a mix of Sandernistas, BLM and such followers, I am sure some of them voted for Clinton but would not be shocked if most did not.
     
  11. DoyleG

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    Meanwhile, in Portland.....

     
  12. ceezmad

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    So not really the white voter surge that people are talking about (if you believe exit polls, and probably we shouldn't)

    But he did a bit better in at least 2 of the rust belt states and black turnout was depressed in those states, than combination got him elected.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/11/daily-chart-16
     
  13. dapip

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  14. MatthausSammer

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    I think part of it is recognizing that the people that are making these value propositions are older. Young people don't see it like that; my understanding is they generally are less critical of immigrants and accept greater diversity, but are more critical of authority figures, large corporations, and to a certain degree, the value of electoral politics in order to affect change. As these people begin to die out, the national conversation will slowly change. It would change faster if young people were more electorally active, but that's not happening right now unfortunately.
     
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  15. dapip

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    What do you think of all the incidents in high schools around the country?
     
  16. MatthausSammer

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    #66 MatthausSammer, Nov 30, 2016
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    It's highly unfortunate, and unacceptable. But ultimately I believe these incidents are simply the last gasps of a dying mentality. Much like how the human body gives out one final burst of energy giving the impression it has recovered, I believe similarly that this election was the final burst for the white nationalist, deliberately anti-policy, ugly Trumpist movement and it's Palinist, Gingrichist, and Santorumist counterparts that have been a double-edged sword for the Republican Party for so many years.
     
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  17. dapip

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    You are now too optimistic. I think that the damage of this four years has already started and it will take at least a generation to clean it up.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-effect_us_583f4985e4b0c68e047eaeb9

    Images of Swastikas mysteriously appear on blackboards and etched into school furniture. Kids bully other students over their racial and ethnic backgrounds. Students as young as fourth grade use words like “pussy” and “slut.” This is what it is like to go to school in Donald Trump’s America, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    The report, based on an unscientific survey of educators all over the country, details what 10,000 school employees saw in the days following Trump’s election. The dynamics relayed by the educators “are nothing short of a crisis and should be treated as such,” says the report. A vast majority of surveyed teachers report seeing increased rates of racially charged bullying, increased trauma and fear from targeted students, and less of a sense of community in diverse schools. Those who did not report these dynamics typically came from more racially homogeneous schools.

    The study follows a similar report from the organization released several months ago, which also provided anecdotal evidence of increased rates of bullying in school as a result of Trump’s campaign. Educators said the new dynamics are unlike anything they’d ever seen before.
     
  18. Knave

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    I think I'll post this here ...

     
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  19. stanger

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    Is somebody supposed to care what that person thinks?
     
  20. Knave

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    Is somebody supposed to care what you think?
     
  21. stanger

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    I'm not asking them to care what I think. You posted that tweet for a reason, do you just agree with it?
     
  22. ceezmad

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    Is this the random people tweet stuff thread?
     
  23. Boloni86

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    That's how I see it too. Nationalism is most intense when the dominant group is near 100% and when it approaches 50%. Our generation is the one that got stuck in this this 60% stage, but this is not a static state. Our great grandkids will live in a country where that 50% threshold will be broken and people will wake up and look around and see that the sky didn't fall. At least not racially and culturally. I'm sure they'll have bigger problems to deal with by then.
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

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    I agree with that but I'm not sure it's quite that simple, tbh. Some of the most anti-immigration people over here are those of immigrant extraction themselves whose parents and grandparents came here 30... 40... 50 years ago. They're not against immigrants as people but don't want to end up at 'the back of the queue', (a phrase that's been used to me before on the doorstep... not mine), when some fella from eastern Europe appears just because he's white.

    I think the simple truth is that worsening economic conditions for the masses will always cause problems, even within a society.

    So you're right that simple racism, in the way it existed 30-40+ years ago, has been reduced and will reduce further as time goes on. But the idea that everything will be sweetness and light from now on probably isn't correct either.

    I think we need a new or amended 'social contract' where wealth inequality isn't so great and where even quite ordinary jobs are respected with a decent income. I'm talking about teachers, nurses, national and local government employees, etc. etc. The idea that the benefits of increased automation and globalisation, (which have been used to force wealth UP the income chain), can provide long term societal peace is an illusion. That takes political action which has to be organised.
     
  25. Boloni86

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    #75 Boloni86, Dec 2, 2016
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    I definitely didn't mean that immigration will be less of a problem. I was talking more specifically about white nationalism and supremacist attitudes in America. The immigration issue will likely get worse as long as population growth and strains on environment remain unchecked. The more unstable and uncertain the world becomes, the more territorial and defensive people will become. All the racial reconciliation in the world can not trump mankind's evolutionary survival instinct.
     
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