Portuguese Coaches Abroad ( Vol. 2 ) [r]

Discussion in 'Portugal' started by vilafria, May 4, 2012.

  1. fdasilva

    fdasilva Member+

    May 21, 2014
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    This is genuinely shocking
     
  2. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    How so?
     
  3. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Because he’s a terrible coach and has no business coaching Colombia
     
  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Terrible?
    That seems a bit harsh but you guys know him better than I do.
     
  5. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal

    Yea he's tactically conservative and plays a really dry style of soccer.

    Too much talent in Colombia This dude has no business coaching that team.
     
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Well maybe the change in scenery will help him out.
    Also, Colombia has historically had good defensive records especially in Qualifying so he won't need to help that out. Can't fix something that is not broken.
    He did have Iran counter attacking efficiently and scoring off set pieces though. We need someone who can help us in those areas because historically we are poor in both categories.
     
  7. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #157 AIL1998, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:53 PM
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM
    Portuguese do not know him better than us. We had him for 8 years and know him really well. I was never his fan and always believed he is only a good assistant in senior level although he knows a lot about football. Personally I am happy we will not have him as our head coach anymore. However because of his effort for us and the fact that he was our head coach for 8 years, I wish him the best in Colombia as long as he does not face us.

    Here are a few facts about him:

    1. SCP_16 is right about his conservative tactics and very dry style of football.

    When you play against top teams, his main line up except your best and may be second best creative player (If your second best creative player is in the line up) includes only the players that have the following characteristics:

    Willing to participate in defending, Run a lot, Aggressive, Physically Strong, but do not have much creativity to change the result of the game.

    Except your best or second best creative player, all other creative players are benched even if he has to use a player with bolded characteristics out of his usual position. So except your best or possibly second best creative player, he benches all other creative players or he does not invite them because they do not have all of the bolded characteristics.

    This style will make it very difficult for your best or second best creative player to do anything special because they also have to participate in defending. This style of football is called Respectable Loser IMO. Ex:

    Spain 1-0 Portugal in 2010
    Argentina 1-0 Iran in 2014
    Spain 1-0 Iran in 2018

    2. Based on his coaching philosophy, It is really hard to win when you concede the first goal but It will be very tough to not win if you score the first goal. We never won single official game with his management when we conceded the first goal but never lost when we scored the first goal. His teams score hardly and hardly can play ball possession football against top teams. However his teams usually concede goal(s) hardly as well.

    3. He does not likes to play friendly matches against teams that look clearly stronger than you. He prefers to play friendly matches against teams that are weaker than your team or at the best around your level. If you look at the list of friendly matches Portugal and Iran had when he coached both, It tells you enough about this.

    There are many more characteristics/things about him which I could have said but told you the main ones I felt I should have said.
     
  8. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #158 AIL1998, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2019 at 6:23 PM
    Here is a great comment from one of our fans in Bigsoccer about CQ (http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/asian-cup-2019.2091339/):

    He is a good trainer, a good team organizer, a good youth scout, and an expensive but an excellent result base defensive manager.

    What he is not good at:
    1. A good tactician specially a creative one.
    2. A flexible offensive base manager.
    3. A gentleman outside the pitch and in interviews.

    He emphasizes so much on defensive tactics, physical strength, and parking the bus that kills the essence of the game. He has no attention to play makers, creative technical players and entertaining football tactics.
     
  9. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Based on my knowledge of CQ, here are the results I expect for Colombia in the group stage of Copa America 2019:

    Argentina 1-0 Colombia (No matter if Argentina is in good or bad form for that tournament. 1-0 victory for Argentina is strong possibility. If Colombia is very fortunate in that day, It will be goalless draw)
    Colombia 2-0 Qatar
    Colombia 0-0 Paraguay or Colombia 1-0 Paraguay
     
  10. Ramos77

    Ramos77 Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Jun 24, 2017
    You've just elaborated on the same exact point about Quieroz made above by SCP_16.

    We already knew what he was like before he went to Iran!
     
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  11. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I wanted to make HomietheClown fully aware of their current coach CQ. Beside that, I also wrote about some of his other characteristics as well.

    Of course you guys knew him a lot better than us before he became our coach but now our knowledge on CQ is same as yours.
     
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  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #162 HomietheClown, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:33 AM
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019 at 7:02 AM
    Good input. I respect the opinions since you do know him better than I do as I conceded.

    As I said though Iran seemed to be pretty efficient in counter attacks and scoring off set pieces. In addition to that they seem to be pretty good at crossing the ball into the area.

    I am not expecting him to be a miracle worker and help us instantly in all three of those weak categories (come Copa America) but I do expect him to have higher standards and help us improve within the four year cycle progressively.
    I don't know if you guys know this but we have players like Yerry Mina, Falcao, Duvan Zapata, Davinson Sanchez etc who know how to score goals and put headers on target consistently for their club teams but rarely get good service or crosses in the run of play or on set pieces for the National Team(Although that did change a bit for Mina in the World Cup but I digress.)
    I am sure Queiroz is coming into the situation and licking his chops knowing about all the toys he has to play with in the area of opposing teams.
    That is what I am looking forward to the most even if we do play a bit conservatively or defensive as you guys point out. I don't mind organization and discipline.
    Uruguay made it to a Final Four of a World Cup that way and I think this Colombian team is as talented as that 2010 Uruguay team.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #163 HomietheClown, Feb 11, 2019 at 7:13 AM
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019 at 7:25 AM
    Now this is the issue that most concerns me:
    The comments about the creative players. If he does not become a bit flexible or lenient towards the creative players being allowed to be free then that does make things a bit tricky.
    Colombia plays their best when guys like James and JuanFer Quintero can go out there and play with imagination and with freedom.
    I am hoping the Colombian coaches and advisers working with him will point this out and emphasize it with him or else it could be the main detriment and things could go badly.
     
  14. AIL1998

    AIL1998 Member

    May 27, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    You will see this issue against teams that are stronger than you or around your level on the paper.

    Regard bolded part, he will be but only against teams that look weaker than you on the paper.
     
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  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Not to sound cocky here but there seems to be a lot of teams who look weaker on paper than Colombia. At least in the Region. ;)
     

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