PORTUGAL VS URUGUAY 2018 FIFA World Cup Round of 16 [R]

I stand corrected on that fact, but again, I never meant to dispute that fact. At any rate: I apologize if I misunderstood what you meant to say... I was under the impression that you were talking about Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 as specific examples of how Portugal for whatever the reason cannot carry their Euro form to the World Cup. Which is why I mentioned Euro 2016, because in my opinion, Portugal did carried their Euro 2016 form to World Cup 2018... well except in World Cup 2018 they didn't get quite as many lucky breaks.

Anyways... As you mentioned: Portugal does have a history of being highly competitive at the Euro, and yes, their Euro form does not translate into great World Cup form. It would make for an interesting discussion the why to that fact or mere coincidence.

 

This is too serious a post for right now, we shat the bed, trolls hovering, time to just say ******** it for tonight

 

How does a coach only bring one real Trinco to the god damn world cup?


I'm outta here gotta clean my guns, I'm going to the range all day tomorrow no soccer.

 

blah, blah, why don't you just ******** off !

 

Yes exactly I meant in general

Portugal
In 2016 was better...they controlled many games and had better midfield also Nani was good.

Even if they drew games in the group stage they dominated those games with many shots, this group stage was much worse

 

It's really stupid to talk about luck in tournaments

You can say that about any team

Germany in 2014

Beat injury plagued Portugal
Beat Algeria a shit team in extra time
Beat France when they were young and not like today (a bit like comparing Croatia 2018 to 2016)
Beat an out of sorts Brazil 7-1 , who had no defence and were completely out of sorts and took advantage and ran up the score
Lucky to not concede against Argentina in first half etc

Spain won in 2010 every game 1-0... Netherlands missing break always in the final

Italy win in 2006 playing Australia and Ukraine (minnows) , then klinsman germany , then winning on pk in the final when zidane does the unthinkable. You can argue Portugals route in 2016 was more difficult.

You can diminish every tournament win if you talk about luck

 

LOL I was just thinking about that! Snooki is on this thread LOL

 

Italy won a WC in 1982 drawing all 3 group games as well its funny how they diminish our win.

They also fluked a win against Brazil which at the time was seen as a catastrophe for the game.

Before that Italy won an euro in 1968, and they won the semi final on a coin toss

Their precious two WC wins were in the 1930s when Uruguay (main contender) didn't even compete because they were angry many euro sides bailed out on 1930

See it's easy to diminish accomplishments if you look at angles


Portugal did better than Germany the last 2 tournaments ,

Don't worry ronaldo will retire soon and you won't see us for another 20 years when we have a next generation

Best football Portugal ever played was before ronaldo , 1998-2002

In some way I look forward to going back to just being a team and not all about ronaldo .

Miss the days of Figo, rui costa, Joao pinto , conceicao, etc

 

Nah, I actually think the post-CR7 era will be the best ever. Mark my words.

 

I don't know what makes you think that

 

better, no better, watching past few games, found myself wondering who will take over leadership role. Usually there is always one guy you see that can take the mantle, hard to tell with this group.

 

Portugal will go from a "one-man team", led by a superstar, to a larger pool of competent and brilliant players.

 

brilliant might be too strong a word, learned to temper my expectations when it comes to Portugal.

 

Figo conceocao , costa etc would have stomped this Uruguai team

 

So what do we do with Santos?

Did he under achieve here? Greatly, he was too loyal to the EURO 16 core and brought them knowing full well they were out of form. He didn't seem to learn anything from the confederations cup and was too stubborn to try and put something new together. Maybe he just wanted to reward the EURO 16 core? Maybe he thought he didn't have enough time to put something new together? Maybe both? Who knows, but he failed.

I think he at least deserves a chance to compile a new squad and system now that he has lots of time before EURO 2020.

He better get creative and put our best team together this time.

 

It’s called complacency. Portugal always have great success in the Euros and it seems that all the managers stick to the same game plan and the same players. When I saw the World Cup squad, I cringe. That Central defense was beyond old but our backs were out of form. The blame lies on the shoulders of the big Portuguese clubs especially Benfica. The urgency to make a quick buck selling our young players have really hurt the growth of our young players. Renato Sanches had no business going to Bayern.

 

He stuck with the same game plan, he should have realize that our center of defense was old and also should have kept tabs on our backs. He had no back up plan. If he brought both Semedo and Bruma, they could have been reliable replacements of both Cedric and Guerrero.

 

Some will be brilliant, some will be competent. We'll see how they evolve.

 

I think Guerrero should be placed in midfield (that's where he hones his craft in the bundesliga) and he's just better there.

Semedo & Ricardo should be the fullbacks imo.

Ricardo wasn't given much of a chance to gel with the team. I believe that the more he plays, the more we will see the club-form of him come out.

Cedric? lol, i can't believe he opted to go with Cedric with all the depth we have at fullback. He could have at least made a change there.

 

not ball busting, but that is what i am saying, in recent years, apart from Ronaldo....name 1 brilliant Portuguese footballer?

 

Pepe...besides that...none!

 

I ain't even mad. That was a close match against a tough defensive team.
When I heard Jimenez was back I knew they'd have the edge.
GOdin + Jimenez are the heart of the Atletico team that never conceedes and they didn't put a foot wrong except when they doubled up on Ronaldo and Pepe managed to take advantage.

Bernardo Silva finally played well when he finally got switched to the playmaker position and he played really well. Pity about that missed open goal though. He rushed it.

Everybody else played well. Fonte played very well in his tough assignment (Suarez). Even J. Mario played well.

Only exception was Guedes who was totally anonymous again. By far the biggest disappointment.

 

To be fair you all know I supported portugal to win the world cup and I am not like the other Italians who wanted you to fail bit to say Italy had an easy route to the final is unfair. Germany was the host and we let in 2 goals in 7 games... 1 was a penalty and 1 was an own goal. We were quality winners.

 

Listen mate, I generally agree with the main sentiment of your conclusion, but finishing 3rd in a group that consisted of Portugal, Iceland, Austria, and Hungary... That used to be how Portugal qualified to the Euro, that's not what the Euro used to be when those lesser national sides weren't deemed good enough to even qualify, let alone finish above Portugal in the group. So Portugal finished 3rd in a group with non-entities, and Portugal was not eliminated despite finishing 3rd in their group, and Portugal then miraculously avoided all of Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, in the KO stage?? That was quite possibly the luckiest run of results ever at a cup tournament.. Which other Euro winner or World Cup winner not Portugal, finished 3rd in their group and somehow was not eliminated in the group and somehow was rewarded with the easiest Euro KO stage ever??

In conclusion: I have never witnessed an unlucky winner, but even within that context of lucky winners, Portugal's Euro 2016 still very much is an anomaly. If there ever was such a thing as a fluke, that was quite probably it, with all due respect.

 

Buddy, like, what is your hangup here? I consider myself pretty unbiased, at least try to be, Portugal was not the most pleasing to the eyes of sides in 2016 admittedly, but they won, they got by all teams that were placed in front of them, they beat France in their own country, in the final!! like wtf?...They won, it is done with, we are now in 2018, why are you harping on this like Portugals victory was undeserved or lucky somehow? Seems to me you just cant stand the fact Portugal won. They did though. Get over it for crying out loud.