Player Eligibility and Switching National Teams: Case Studies & General Discussion

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  1. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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    Kosovo (and Gibraltar) joins FIFA today.

    The most controversial discussions, though, will be the issue of players’ switching nationalities. A number of players born in Kosovo or with roots in the territory now play for other teams, including Albania’s captain, Lorik Cana; Belgium midfielder Adnan Januzaj; and Switzerland midfielder Xherdan Shaqiri.

    The Kosovo federation, citing what it calls Kosovo’s unique set of circumstances, has called for players to be granted a one-time chance to switch nationality immediately, which is currently against FIFA rules.

    But several European national teams could be decimated if such switches were permitted. At the 2012 World Cup qualifying match between Switzerland and Albania, for example, a majority of the 22 players who started the match had Kosovar roots.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/s...sovo-paving-way-for-fifa-membership.html?_r=0
     
  2. BostonRed

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    "Lose eligibility" may not be the right term. Likely, he was never eligible for the team in the first place.
     
  3. Nico Limmat

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    Assuming FIFA gives (cap-tied) Kosovars the opportunity for a switch that window should be limited in time. Say six to twelve months? I'm not too worried about players leaving Switzerland. Certainly not Shaqiri, Xhaka or Behrami. Maybe Albania has more to worry about but their recent success will probably ensure that a number of players stay put. In most cases the player will go with the more successful team, assuming he gets the playing time he seeks.
     
  4. Rickdog

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    For 2018 WCQ there might not be a problem (all groups now would have 6 teams in them), but for the 2022 WCQ, there will have to be one group with 7 teams in it, as no Uefa team would have an automatic spot for the WC (currently, for 2018, Russia has it for being host next WC)
     
  5. EvanJ

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    Not that Montserrat wins many games, but if he was never eligible in the first place, FIFA neglected to notice.
     
  6. BostonRed

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    FIFA only notices if someone files a protest (in most cases, anyway). There's no system for clearing the eligibility of the average national team player.
     
  7. EvanJ

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    Well then there are probably plenty of players who could get away with playing for national teams they're not eligible for. Players on some national teams won't have a lot of information about them online (or might have most of the information about them online in a different language than their opponents), and most national teams are not going to spend time researching the eligibility of the opposing players one by one.

    Groups of 7 require 4 more matchdays than groups of 6, including 2 matchdays off for each country. One option would be to start World Cup 2022 qualifiers before Euro 2020. Another option would be having 10 groups. If there were 10 groups and UEFA got 13 teams in the World Cup, the top six second place teams could go to the playoffs. UEFA used 10 groups in qualifying for Euro 2004.
     
  8. Blondo

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    UEFA will also use 10 groups in EURO2020 Qs. The Nations League could be the format to allocate those 3 Qatar 2022 berths as well (3 groups with play-off matches between 4 teams for the 2020/21 Nations League instead of 4 groups for the 2018/19 Nations League) ... isn't it the idea to have a major tournament every summer ... well Qatar 2022 would take place in December instead of June/July.
     
  9. Nico Limmat

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    Ten-man Kosovo beat Faroes to win first full international
    Hmmm....

    Something doesn't add up here.

    Albert Bunjaku, scorer of Kosovo's first official goal ever, played with Switzerland at the 2010 World Cup. So either Kosovo just fielded an ineligible player or FIFA has already made up their mind about a one-time switch.

    (Or it doesn't get properly addressed and falls into the "Chaco" Gimenez grey zone)
     
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  10. Nico Limmat

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  12. Nico Limmat

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    #462 Nico Limmat, Aug 30, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2016
    Responding to pressure to switch to Kosovo Arsenal's Granit Xhaka has stated (in an open letter addressed to the Kosovo public) that FIFA's take on the situation is the following. If a player represented another association post the admission date of Kosovo to FIFA then a switch can no longer take place. So any contributing player at Euro 2016 is not eligible to switch to Kosovo.

    Sounds reasonable.

    That should now put a lid on the constant switching rumors for Swiss players like Xhaka, Shaqiri or Behrami.

    Finland's Hetemaj may switch however:
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-finland-kosovo-idUKKCN10Z1SU

    Taking the field for Kosovo against Finland could be Mërgim Brahimi. He has already officially represented Albania and Switzerland (all youth with one Albania senior friendly). Kosovo is his third national team programme.
     
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  13. Nico Limmat

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    #463 Nico Limmat, Aug 30, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2016
    Looks like Brahimi didn't get the call this time:
    http://www.ffk-kosova.com/en/?p=10768

    It appears these ten players still need FIFA approval:

    1. Samir Ujkani (Albania)
    2. Amir Rrahmani (Albania)
    3. Enis Alushi (Germany)
    4. Alban Meha (Albania)
    5. Milot Rashica (Albania)
    6. Herolind Shala (Albania)
    7. Albert Bunjaku (Switzerland)
    8. Vedat Muriqi (Albania)
    9. Valon Berisha (Norway)
    10. Sinan Bytyqi (Austria)

    And here I thought Albert Bunjaku's paperwork would have been sorted already in order for him to become Kosovo's first official goal scorer in their first friendly match? I know it's a friendly but don't you still have to file for the switch?

    Valon Berisha switching from Norway.
    Not sure if this is supposed to be in response to Granit Xhaka?
     
  14. Nico Limmat

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    FIFA still pondering Kosovo plea for player switch:
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-kosovo-idUKKCN1174FI

    As of yesterday only Albert Bunjaku has been cleared, nine players continue to wait for a decision. Only three days to go until the Finland match. Doesn't sound like FIFA have a uniform approach:
    The Swiss FA is fed up with this lack of clarity and has called FIFA out on it:
    My take is that if FIFA can't agree on a uniform approach then at least the window for (extraordinary) Kosovo switches should be limited in time. Say one year? (and then fix the statutes)
     
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  15. HomietheClown

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    There's rumors in the Colombian Forum that Keeper Franco Armani of the Libertadores Champion Atletico Nacional is contemplating becoming a Colombian citizen so that he could be eligible to be called up by Pekerman for the National team.
    (I hope it happens. Would be a fantastic backup if Ospina get's injured or in a rare situation suspended.)
     
  16. Nico Limmat

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    Kosovo still waiting for the clearance of six players:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/04/kosovo-world-cup-2018-qualifier-finalnd
    FIFA has handled this terribly.
     
  17. Rickdog

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  18. dsichiva

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    Mmmh, that could explain "Chaco" Gimenez express clearance to play for Mexico :p:p:p

    Seriously, ¿does FIFA produce any kind of official document stating this clearance to play for another association? ¿Or is just a verbal communication, in order to avoid a paper trail?:unsure:
    Because "Chaco" was able to switch allegiance quite quickly and with only a verbal declaration of Mexican Federation that everything was in order.:confused: When Panama asked for some proof to FIFA, they only got a communication stating that FIFA could not answer that request,
    I presume Kosovo would not get the same treatment as Mexico regarding players switching allegiances;)
     
  19. Blondo

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  20. Nico Limmat

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  21. Nico Limmat

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  22. dsichiva

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    How these granted requests of change of association are communicated? Are these documents publicly available or confidential? So far is through press releases that we learned the resolution of these requests.
     
  23. Blondo

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    Sep 21, 2013
    I heard that the players that wanted a switch (allowed by the more lenient rules), had to make a request before Kosovo's first qualifier ... although I haven't found an official source confirming that deadline. Has the window closed and will Kosovo have to follow the same rules as every other FA?
     
  24. Nico Limmat

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    I imagine the outcome is communicated internally to the concerned association(s).
    Guess we will find out in October. I would be surprised if the window is closed already. I can see Kosovo going after someone like Almen Abdi next (Sheffield Wednesday, Swiss tied).
     
  25. BostonRed

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    That's one of the problems for determining eligibility. FIFA doesn't appear to announce publicly submission or approval of federation switches or of any waivers granted (primarily for the "5 years after 18" switch with new citizenship). You'd feel pretty silly protesting a player's eligibility only to find out that he had been granted a FIFA waiver. There really should be a repository of this information for federations to review.

    And at some point, FIFA needs to announce if the Kosovo "exception" is a permanent one or if there is a limit to how long a player cap-tied before the entry of Kosovo into FIFA can switch.
     

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