Percentage of MLS players eligible to play for U.S. team?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Scotty, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    I just came across an article on the BBC stating that only 30% of the players in the Premier League are eligible for England's national team. In Germany it's 50%.

    So does anyone know the percentage of MLS players eligible to play for the U.S. team?
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
     
  3. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So at 55%, we have a higher domestic rate than both the Bundesliga and the EPL. However, I would be willing to bet that the percentage of Germans that start in the BL is higher than the percentage of Americans that start in MLS.
     
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  4. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's probably slightly higher than 55%, but not by much. That 45% could include some players born outside the US with US citizenship (like Jones or Chandler) and could also include some naturalized citizens (but probably not that many).
     
  5. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Can we adjust the numbers to account for the three Canadian teams and the effect of Canadian Nationals, which skew the numbers a bit?
     
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  6. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    My question is that whoever compiled that stat did they use green-card holders as "domestic" players?

    Because MLS does that even though GC holders cant play for USMNT.
     
  7. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    Good idea
     
  8. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good read.

    I'd be really, really curious to see what this looks like further down the pyramid. My hunch would be that major domestic leagues have a larger percentage of domestic players, while the US second and third tier leagues probably stay in the 50-55% range.

    I also remember heavy discussion around WC 2010 for the flipside of the discussion: how many players to the national team draw from the domestic league. I think England was 100% Premier League.
     
  9. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe they had a Championship player or two. At least one of the three keepers, possibly two of them, IIRC. But they were all domestic.

    Edit: It was only David James in the championship, with Portsmouth (who is now in League 2:eek:)
    Robert Green was with West Ham who had been promoted in 2009 and then relegated in 2011.
    Joe Hart was on Birmingham City who was relegated the following season, in 2011.
     
  10. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Portsmouth were only relegated from the Premiership that season completed weeks before the 2010 WCQ and David James never played for them the following season in the Championship.The entire England roster consisted of players who had just finished seasons in the EPL.

    At the NYRB game this past Saturday I noted that there were only two US eligible players starting for NYRB (Alexander and McCarty) and 2 for the Whitecaps (Jordan Harvey and Greg Klazura). It was sort of disheartening. Heath Pearce was the only US eligible sub for either team. I realize NYRB and Vancouver aren't really reflective of MLS as a whole.
     
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  11. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, gotcha. My bad
     
  12. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Owen Hargreaves (Bayern Munich) the Canadian mercenary who played for England's 2006 WC team was the first player from outside an English league.
     
  13. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beckham was with Madrid then, no?

    But Hargreaves also was on 2002 team and at that point maybe he was the first.
     
  14. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are serious about the issue you ought to take more of a sample. I looked at the two most recent games, LA v. NE and DC v. Chicago, and I think that on average 7 of the 11 starters in those games were US-eligible. You can't just take a skewed sample of one, especially involving a Canadian team (why do you expect Canadian teams to have many US players?), and expect your argument to be taken seriously.
     
  15. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Just wanted to chime in to say this is one of the more interesting threads that has been started in recent times. Nice one Scotty

    Yep, and I'm pretty sure all of Italy's '06 WC winning squad was based in the Serie A.
     
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  16. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't aware that I was making an argument or doing anything more than sharing an admittedly anecdotal observation. I made no statement about any expectations of a Canadian teams roster or otherwise. I am confused by your response.
     
  17. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are you "disheartened" by a Canadian team with very few US-eligible players?
     
  18. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was disheartened that there were only 4 US eligible players starting in an MLS game I was at. It doesn't necessarily follow that I expect a Canadian team to field a team of US eligible players.

    Are you asking because you are concerned about my feelings and want to suss out whether I am setting myself up for failure by stumbling through life with unreasonable and unfulfilled expectations? If so, please DM me. ;)

    Or did you just not read my post carefully and rather than note that are doubling down and crafting rebuttals to arguments not made? In either case, I share your view about the importance of sample size and the importance of noting the country a team hails from were I interested in anything more than sharing a fleeting feeling from 2 days ago.
     
  19. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, those are not up date figures on the Bundesliga, it's up to 60% now.
     
  20. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Don't forget Luis Robles and Brad Knighton, who also started. Jun Marques Davidson is an American as well, although he's foreign-raised and therefore won't make us feel better about our domestic development.

    Nonetheless, New York and Vancouver are two of the four biggest offenders when it comes to (not) using US-eligible players.

    I took a look at minutes played in 2013 thus far. League-wide, US-eligible players accounted for 55% of total minutes. If you remove the three Canadian teams, that number rises modestly to 58%.

    By team:

    83% -- Philadelphia
    76% -- Colorado
    74% -- San Jose
    68% -- Los Angeles
    67% -- Salt Lake
    66% -- Houston
    65% -- Columbus
    64% -- Chicago
    63% -- New England
    61% -- D.C.
    52% -- Chivas USA
    49% -- Kansas City
    43% -- Dallas
    41% -- Toronto
    39% -- Seattle
    35% -- New York
    34% -- Montreal
    32% -- Vancouver
    27% -- Portland


    The Timbers are solidly last in these rankings. In their (tepid) defense, I will point out that they have an inordinate number of players who spent at least some developmental years in the US but who are not currently US-eligible: Will Johnson, Darlington Nagbe, Ryan Johnson, and Rodney Wallace. This quartet has combined for 31% of Portland's playing time.
     
  21. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right, 2002, and yes, Beckham was with Madrid in '06.

    Not to go too far astray, but, I love this quote about Hargreaves

    The generally negative perception of him by English fans had not been helped by his seeming to have an essence of "German-ness", exacerbated by his Canadian accent and fluency in German
     
  22. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy, Germany, and Spain also had fairly domestic national teams in 2010 as well (Torres, Fabregas, Reina the outliers.)
     
  23. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's why he said, "I realize NYRB and Vancouver aren't really reflective of MLS as a whole." Reading comprehension will help you go further in life.
     
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  24. USEngFan

    USEngFan Member

    Sep 4, 2005
    Cinci
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well sure, if we focus on England, Germany, Italy and Spain, the vast majority of their national team players come from their domestic leagues, because those are the best 4 domestic leagues on the planet.

    I'd be interested to know the percentage of domestic-based players on the Netherlands, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina or, frankly, any other top 15 side besides the 4 above.... (of course, I'm too lazy to actually look this up myself :) )
     
  25. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_squads

    Looks like England, Germany, and Italy were the only all domestic league squads in 2010 WC. Even North Korea had that guy from Japan who kept crying.
     
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