Review: Pele vs Messi

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by Daniel96, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. the one and only

    Jul 15, 2011
    So an event that takes place once every 4 years (one month/7 matches depending if you get to the final) is now the only criteria right???
    And the way you're saying it, people will think Pele won those world cups playing along side bums, which is absolutely not the case. He was always in a team stacked with great players at that time, and more important is that those players played to their full potentials when required of them, they weren't just expecting Pele to do magic. Hell they even won one of Pele's 3 worldcups "without" him cause he was injured.

    It's crazy how people just tend to ignore how bad other Argentine players (who are very talented by the way) play and the fact that Messi plays a different role for Argentina.

    Ronaldo has more world cup goals than Pele, do you think he's better than Pele??? i personally think he is but not just because of his worldcup goals.
  2. Daniel96

    Daniel96 Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Australia, NSW
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Messi is around the same level as Ronaldo (Brazil)
    But the only reason why I wont consider Messi better is because he plays poor for Argentina.

    Ronaldo (Brazil) 68 Goals / 98 Games
    .2002 World Cup
    .Copa America 1997 and 1999
    .Confederation Cup 1997
  3. the one and only

    Jul 15, 2011

    Ronaldo is "my" favourite player ever. But let's be serious, Ronaldo played in brazilian team that all the other players (Rivaldo,etc..) always showed up to perform too,it was never a case in a competition where the other players were just waiting for Ronaldo to do it all by himself. And he always played the same position throughout his career, he never had to do a playmaker role for brazil.
  4. xedeluxe

    xedeluxe Member

    Jan 18, 2012
    FC Barcelona
    messi play as AMF for argentina .... and he is the playmaker for argentina.. its like you hoping xavi to score 1000 goal for barca... argentina fail is not cause by messi... you look at their game.. their defence is like 3rd division club team...
  5. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Pele was on the stands on 1 world cup. Brasil still won. My point is that, that Brasil was light years better than this Argentina. If Messi was on the stands in his NT, they wouldnt even classify in the Qualifiers.
  6. lajake

    lajake Member

    Dec 29, 2011
    So Cal
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're acting like Argentina is some trash nation. Without Messing they would still be a top 10 side. Messi is not a leader and in my opinion the players at Barcarolna make him better instead of the other way around like a Zidane.
  7. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Every player needs a great team to win sometihng important. Yes even Maradona. The fable that a player can single-handly lead a team to glory is wrong and actually physically impossible. Im not saying Argentina is a trash nation, Im saying its an incompetent NT in terms of management and their inmense talent stacked in the forward position is not in balance with other areas equally important like midfield and defense.
  8. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Nov 2, 2005
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Pele isnt as good as messi, just go look youtube

    pele played against alot of bums from the 60s who drank before matches, played hungover, had day jobs didnt even know how to defend

    teams played open football, 2-3-5 formation, 4-2-4, etc

    Messi regularly makes spanish league defenders look like shit, and his scoring record is astronomical

    Messi also dominates in the uefa CL, against the top european clubs

    he also dominated Santos in the CWC

    Messi is better than Pele.

    hes faster

    better finisher

    better dribbler

    he just isnt as fancy

    messi is a no nosense, wham bam thank you man GTFO type of player.

    no complaints to the referee

    no diving

    no pretty boy camera poses like CR7

    no media antics

    no kicking out at players like Balotelli

    Messi is just PURE football, its all he cares about

    not modelling, or wearing expensive clothes (he shows up to FIFA galas wearing adidas gear) or hot gold digging GFs (he has a relationship with childhood girlfriend)
  9. tadm123

    tadm123 Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Sporting Cristal Lima
  10. BarraUru

    BarraUru Member

    Apr 18, 2011
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Messi plays like he plays thanks to Xavi and Iniesta, simple
  11. El Negro Jefe

    El Negro Jefe Member

    Nov 22, 2011
    Manchester United FC
    Are you drunk man?
  12. lajake

    lajake Member

    Dec 29, 2011
    So Cal
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I heard Messi is into dressing up as women in heels and dresses.
  13. zizouForlife

    zizouForlife Member

    Jun 3, 2008
    you smoke some strong stuff my friend
  14. Louis Soccer

    Louis Soccer Member

    Apr 17, 2017
    To avoid bias, let's compare Pele with Messi in finals at the international level:

    World Cup: 1 match, 0 goals + 0 assist
    Copa América: 3 matches, 0 goals + 0 assist
    UEFA Champions League: 3 matches, 2 goals + 0 assist
    Club World Cup: 3 matches, 4 goals + 0 assist
    Supercopa de Europa: 4 games, 3 goals + 2 assists
    TOTAL MESSI: 14 matches, 9 goals + 2 assists = 11, average of 0.78 per game.

    World Cup: 2 matches, 3 goals + 3 assist
    Copa Libertadores: 3 games, 3 goals + 2 assists
    Intercontinental Cup: 3 games, 7 goals + 2 assists
    TOTAL PELÉ: 8 matches, 13 goals + 7 assists = 20, average of 2.50 per game.

    Pele is better than Messi.
  15. Louis Soccer

    Louis Soccer Member

    Apr 17, 2017
    Ronaldo is not at the level of Pele in the Worlds:

    Pele: 14 games, 12 goals +9 assists = 21 (average of 1.50 per game)
    Pele generated 21 goals out of 37 that made Brazil = 56.7% INFLUENCE !!!!!

    Ronaldo: 19 matches, 15 goals + 4 assists = 19 (average 1.00 per calf)
    Ronaldo generated 19 goals of 42 that made Brazil = 45.2% of INFLUENCE !!!!!

    At national level, the same thing happens:

    Pele: 92 matches, 77 goals + 33 assists = 110 (average of 1.19 per match)
    Pele generated 110 goals of 235 that made Brazil = 46.8% of INFLUENCE !!!!!

    Ronaldo: 97 matches, 62 goals +26 assists = 88 (average 0.90 per calf)
    Ronaldo generated 88 goals of 222 that made Brazil = 39.6% INFLUENCE !!!!!

    Now if we add Messi and Maradona:

    Maradona: 91 matches, 34 goals +28 assists = 62 (average 0.68 per calf)
    Maradona generated 62 goals of 137 that made Argentina = 45.2% of INFLUENCE !!!!!

    Messi: 118 matches, 58 goals + 38 assists = 96 (average 0.81 per match)
    Messi generated 96 goals of 220 that made Argentina = 43.6% of INFLUENCE !!!!!

    Average goal per game:
    1. Pele, an average of 1.19 goal per game in NT
    2. Ronaldo, an average of 0.90 goal per game in NT
    3. Messi, an average of 0.81 goal per game in NT
    4. Maradona, an average of 0.68 goal per game in NT
    Percentage of Influence:
    1. Pele = 46.8%
    2. Maradona = 45.2%
    3. Messi = 43.6%
    4. Ronaldo = 39.6%

    Pele had great players like Garrincha, Didi, Vavá, and then to Tostao, Gerson, Rivelino and Jairzinho, despite having great competition, reached the highest percentage of influence.
    Ronaldo, also had in his equipment great players like Ronaldinho, Romario, Rivaldo, Bebeto and Roberto Carlos. Its average is the second highest, but its influence was smaller.
    Maradona has the lowest goal average, but was the most influential after Pele. At the beginning he had classmates like Kempes, Pasarella or Ardiles and in the end to Batistuta and Caniggia. But at his best, he had little bright but competitive players who won other important tournaments like Copa Libertadores or Intercontinental Cup (Ruggeri, Burruchaga, Enrique, Giusti, Pumpido, etc.)
    Messi, his goal average is much lower than he has at FC Barcelona, but his influence is good.
    1. Pele is the most productive, and the most influential of these big four.
    2. For the second place, there is a tie between Maradona and Ronaldo. The Argentine's merit is to have reached a higher peak of performance in 1986, and the merit of the Brazilian is to have won more titles (World Cup and America)
    3. Third place is for Messi, although statistics are even with Maradona and Ronaldo, his lack of titles and absence of goals and assists in the finals he plays against.
  16. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Messi doesn't belong anywhere near a discussion of the greatest of all times.
    If anything CR7 shoudl feature before he does.
    At least when talking about international football.
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  17. Slc813

    Slc813 New Member

    Sep 12, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. Kevin Redding

    Kevin Redding New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 18, 2017
    Messi is better, probably in part because he's had better training, plays against better competition, and has more resources for personal, psychological and other well-being development.
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  19. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    CR7 is better than Messi.
    And Pele's international achievements really knock Messi out of the field.
  20. digiosmosis

    digiosmosis Member

    Oct 18, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    Pele has 3 world cup finish with him. It won't be fair to compare him with Messi.
  21. UnitsE3

    UnitsE3 Member

    Oct 21, 2017
  22. Knand0

    Knand0 New Member

    Manchester United
    Mar 13, 2018
    Messi, different age/game now
  23. Show Business

    Show Business Red Card

    Borussia Dortmund
    May 2, 2018
    In deep south
    With tecnics and speed Pele is best forever. :rolleyes:
    Louis Soccer repped this.
  24. SambaFootball

    SambaFootball Member

    May 28, 2018
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  25. Bourne19

    Bourne19 New Member

    May 14, 2018
    There is no way to compare these two, I can say that Messi is better than CR7 cause, I saw both of them in same conditions so what about Pele- he is the best they said, but what is going to happen if he plays vs today's defenders and today's tactic in football, the same is related for Messi he is the best now, but we don't know how he would manage to succeed in the past. One more thing that we should consider the rules of the game - they changed a lot

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