How arguably the two best players ever performed in finals. Both are superb (not that far porcentage wise). Pele was better IMO. Messi's 4 finals losses and scoreless with Argentina drags him down a little. List with all the games and explanation. http://otaviopinto.com/index.php/2016/06/27/pele-messi-finals/
Very impressing numbers by both + nice article. But please don't start another conversation about this
One thing that Pele, Maradona, and Messi all have in common, is that they never lifted the Copa America Trophy.
Major tournament sf and final matches (WC, EU/CA, EC/CL) Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved) Messi 29 (8 + 9 + 12) out of 34 team goals in 24 games = 85% importance (+ 2 SO goals and 1 miss) Maradona 5 (2 + 1 + 2) out of 6 team goals in 5 games = 83% importance (+1 SO goal) Platini 13 (6 (3p) + 4 + 3) put of 16 team goals in 10 games = 81% importance (+1 SO goal) Pele 21 (13 (1p) + 6 + 2) out of 30 team goals in 9 games = 70% importance G.Müller 21 (18 + 0 + 3) out of 32 team goals in 16 games = 66% importance Zidane 22 (10 (3p) + 5 + 7) out of 35 team goals in 20 games = 63% importance (+ 1 SO goal) C.Ronaldo 18 (13 (3p) + 4 + 1) out of 32 team goals in 26 games = 56% importance (+ 1 SO goal and 2 misses) Eusebio 10 (7 (2p) + 1 + 2) out of 18 team goals in 13 games = 56% importance Romario 6 (3 + 0 + 3) out of 11 team goals in 5 games = 55% importance (+ 1 SO goal) Ronaldo 11 (7 + 2 + 2) out of 22 team goals in 10 games = 50% importance Iniesta 14 (3 + 5 + 6) out of 30 team goals in 23 games = 47% importance (+ 1 SO goal) Xavi 16 (1 + 7 + 8) out of 35 team goals in 25 games = 46% importance Cruyff 8 (3 + 2 + 3) out of 18 team goals in 14 games = 44% importance Note: missing Pele CL65 SF where he at least scored 3 goals of 8 in 3 games Note: missing Eusebio EC65 SF where he at least scored 2 goals of 8 in 3 games
For Messi to be in 23 "Finals" you are talking about Copa Del Reys, Super-cups and Club World Cups etc.....lol Messi: 3 Champion's League Finals, 2 goals...4 International Finals. 0 goals..... 7 finals, 2 goals.
Contribution Per Game RATIO: 1.20 CPGR: 1 cPGR: 1.3 2.3 1.31 1.1 0.69 0.76 1.2 1.1 0.6 0.64 0.57 including: 24 in 12 games = 2 CPGR . btw, if we count intercontinental cup as well, which was important back in the days of 60s because it meant more than a small trophy, that was a match of pride, honour, it was "European football vs South American football", then I guess CPGR of Pele will increase much since it was something like 7 goals in 3 matches+do not know how many assists. but we wont add this since we do not know in how many goals of the other goals Pele were involved in. THus, in the list below pele's CPGR ratio will be counted omitting these matches. including: 12 in 15 = 0.8 GPGR after all, the list will go on: 1. Pele: 2.3 CPGR 2. Muller: 1.31 3. Platini: 1.3 4-5. Messi&Romario: 1.2 6. Ronaldo: 1.1 Thnaks @Bada Bing for compiling the list and statistics.
The finals in international tournaments are clear: Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved) Pele 23 (13 + 6 + 4) out of 28 team goals in 9 games = 82% importance (World Cup, Intercontinental Cup, Copa Libertadores, Recopa Intercontinental) Maradona 6 (1 + 4 + 1) out of 8 team goals in 4 games = 75% importance (World Cup, UEFA Cup) Messi, 16 (9 + 2 + 5) out of 25 team goals in 14 games = 64% importance (World Cup, Copa America, Club World Cup, UEFA Champions League, European Super Cup) C.Ronaldo 10 (9 + 1 + 0) out of 22 team goals in 12 games = 45% importance (Club World Cup, UEFA Champions League, European Super Cup, UEFA European Championship) Pele was more important in international finals.
Sir_Artur's and Louis Soccer's interpretation of the stats are more up to the mark.The stats speak for themselves and leaves no one in doubt as to who was the better performer in major finals. If we look at,goals avg,% of teams goals,games with at least 3 goals and goals with at least 2 goals we get a clear picture of how superior Pele's performances are to Leo's.