Pedro Santos DP watch

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  1. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2nd lowest goals against in the MLS so far, . . . what are we trying to fix?
     
  2. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Highest paid defender in the league. He's "fine" as a player. He has had fewer "that just cost us a goal" mistakes this year, but he's far from dominant. He's never been the best player on the field. He's fine. We're paying him to be MLS best XI.
     
  3. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    This. He still is out of position too often and has some poor touches on the ball. We need much better for the money and we'll see if he has truly improved with our tough stretch of games going forward. I would love to eat my words on this.
     
  4. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely. I may pick on our players but come game time I'm rooting for them to be the best. I'd love for Santos to break out and bag 5 goals and 10 assists. I'd love for Mensah to turn those physical gifts into soccer performances, shutting down Altidore, Martinez et al over the next several weeks.
     
  5. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He is now the 5th highest paid defender in the league behind such blistering stars as Jorgen Skjevik (LAG), Lamine Sane (ORL), Greg Van Der Wiel (TFC) and Claude Dielna (NER).
    Reto Ziegler (FCD), Larry Mabiala (Port), Graham Zusi and Matt Besler are close by.
    Sure I would probably rather have Laurent Ciman at $630k but it just not work that way.

    And which time did he cost us a goal this season? I only have time right now to look at our 3 losses.

    Vancouver - 2 goals. 1 - Afful loses his marker. Mensah actually has Kei pretty well covered on the cross. 2- Trapp covering Kei because Abubakar is out on the flank. Three defenders are focused on Davies which leaves Felipe open for the cross. Really piss poor defensive shape.

    Chicago - One goal. Clear Steffen mistake.

    DCU - One goal. Artur and Venezuela and Trapp are involved in that one.

    I will look at the other goals when I have more time but Mensah of 2017 is not Mensah of 2018. So I am curious who are the actual lock down defenders in the MLS?
     
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  6. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New England's second goal in the 2-2 draw stands out as a major one. Terrible touch leads to turnover that directly results in a goal.

    There are a lot of overpaid defenders in this league apparently. I stand corrected on that point.

    And again, he's improved this year, no doubt about that. He still has too many of the moves like that play against NE. They don't always result in a goal. Some of that is down to luck, some to Steffen, and some due to poor play by our opponents. This next series of games may expose him, or he may step up and earn that hefty paycheck. I'm hoping for the latter.
     
  7. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Santos still out.
     
  8. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Don't mean to be a jerk but I hope some other players make the most of this opportunity.
     
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  9. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's nothing wrong with wanting the rest of the team to respond to such a situation.
     
  10. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Understand but I don't want any players hurt. I just think we have some prospects who hopefully can prosper.
     
  11. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed--nor do I. Yet injuries are part and parcel of any pro sport (heck, amateur as well--I remember when I got hurt right before the Corporate Challenge event when I was in really good form. But I practiced about 10 min too long and pulled something. So I really want a deep team and a team where players will respond to opportunities. Because they will come, sooner or later. Teams that overcome injuries win things. Not to diss any of my Cav fan friends here, but look at the Celtics right now--or the Buckeyes a few years back. Guys responded to major injuries.
     
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  12. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Yep. New England is probably the one I would point to where he could have done better but I will got through them all.

    Montreal. Damn those were some good goals.
    Montreal: Goal 1 Piatti is one on one with Afful. Honestly a helluva a goal. Mensah might have been able to cut down the angle more but it would have allowed the offside line to drop further. But mostly Piatti is just good.
    Goal 2. Afful pushes Lovitz to the end line and he makes the cross. And then Edwards one times it in. Helluva a shot. Valenzuela probably should have been tighter but nice goal.

    DCU (3-1)
    Abubakar is way up field and make a terrible header right to Acosta. Mensah is all alone. If he closes and gets beat, Acosta is 1on1 with Steffen. He denies space, probably too loosely. Pass goes across and Afful's man, Asad, on the far side is all the time in the world to shoot.

    NE (2-2)
    Goal 1: Mensah allowed Bunbury to turn and shoot. Steffen's momentum was the wrong direction or he would have had that. Probably the most Mensah's fault of any goal this year.
    Goal 2. Mensah's chested ball gets picked by Agudelo. Nice work by Agudelo to make something out of that. Again Afful is high already and there is slow rotation to pick up his man who has an open shot.

    San Jose
    Jungwirth cross from about 40 yards out on a dime to Housen who is behind Abubakar. Mensah is not anywhere close to either play.

    Mensah has been pretty solid except for the NE game.

    And also most of the goals are coming from the weakside winger getting free on a cross. Not a big surprise given how high our wing backs play.
     
  13. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I find it somewhat amusing that Pedro Santos has sucked so hard that the "Pedro Santos DP Watch" thread has turned into group therapy of people trying to convince themselves that Mensah is any thing more than an average defender.
     
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  14. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States

    Alert! The Santos is down. I repeat, the Santos is down.
     
  15. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
     
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  16. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    I am now officially on the Pedro Santos hate train. Can we possibly rename this thread "fire pedro santos"?
     
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  17. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm old enough to remember when people said, "Pedro Santos just needs some time to adjust to MLS...."
     
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  18. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    He's a carthorse.

    Bloody useless.
     
  19. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least a carthorse can pull a cart.
     
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  20. Coupe

    Coupe Member+

    Mar 3, 2007
    He knows how to fall down!
     
  21. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Update: 28 games. 2100 minutes. 1 goal. 5 assists.

    [​IMG]
     
  22. hardhead

    hardhead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    NEO
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Matt Doyle agrees:
     
  23. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Doyle was also one of the clowns that said Santos will be okay, he just needs time to adjust.

    He's just not good enough.
     
  24. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm done with the Santos DP watch. It's unwatchable.
    [​IMG]
     
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  25. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Trying to think of one thing Santos is good at.

    Apart from losing possession.
     

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