Paxton Pomykal Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by jond, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Austin has potential...………………..

    Dallas had youth soccer excellence before FCD's academy even existed. FCD is simply building and building and building on that culture to great effect. What's happening now in Dallas was Lamar Hunt's vision from a looooooooooooong time ago.

    Austin has no such youth soccer culture of excellence on which to build. There's been a player or two come out of Austin recently. Particularly Lonestar. That's where Kekuta Manneh rose to prominence after moving to the states. McKinze Gaines (now at Darmstadt in Germany) came out of Austin.

    Austin has ALL of the ingredients. Young, diverse, rapidly growing city of folks with expendable income. But it sorta has to built from the ground up.
     
  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In your opinion, which cities/areas would you rank top 10-20?
     
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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Oh, that's a hard one. Somebody did this statistical analysis very recently. I'll try to find the link.

    If I remember correctly the city that's actually developed the most pro soccer players per capita...………………….is Denver.

    But that's quantity and not quality. The three best markets for youth soccer in this country have been the same for a looooooooong time. Southern California, North Texas, and NY/NJ.

    When we did our "Battle of the States" a few years ago the only state that could legitimately field a full team to challenge California was Texas.

    There are always surprises. In the recent USMNT/US U23/U20 camps...………...there are three players from Birmingham, Alabama. Chris Richards, Brandon Servania, and Tanner Tessman. All three played for the same youth club before moving to FC Dallas. Birmingham United.

    Think of the current USMNT callups by state. This is obviously complicated as kids move around, but I'll try to go with where players were DEVELOPED. California and Texas are 1 and 2 like they normally are.

    California: Aaron Long, Nick Lima, Christian Roldan, Sebastian Lletget, Gyasi Zardes, Tyler Boyd (partial credit), Corey Baird

    Texas: Jesse Gonzalez, Reggie Cannon, Weston McKennie, Paxton Pomykal

    Illiinois: Brad Guzan
    Georgia: Sean Johnson, Walker Zimmerman
    Massachusetts: Miles Robinson
    MInnesota: Jackson Yuiell
    Missouri: Tim Ream, Josh Sargent
    Ohio: Wil Trapp
    Pennsylvania: Daniel Lovitz, Christian Pulisic
    Washington: Jordan Morris

    International: John Brooks, Sergino Dest, Alfredo Morales

    This is typically the pattern we see from USMNT rosters. California 1, Texas 2, and then the rest is spread out. We've had youth teams relatively recently that were 2/3rd California and Texas.

    When we did our Battle of the States that looked at the entire pool of players, and not just the USMNT, .it was California 1, Texas 2, NY/NJ at 3...……….and then everybody else a pretty big distance behind that.
     
  4. Three and Three

    Sep 13, 2015
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    What do you have on Florida? What do you see? I'm a Rhody/ Mass boy, but I'm curious.
     
  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Currently, Altidore and that's about it. As a resident, I can tell you that for a long time it was hampered by demographics. Most of it's immigrant population was from baseball loving Cuba. That has changed a lot in the last ten years. A lot of South Americans have come in and I expect that the production will grow a lot.
     
  6. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #306 tomásbernal, Sep 1, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2019
    I can't cite an article, but I'm pretty sure that MLS is ending the geographic zones for academy players. Might be starting next year.
     
  7. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s huge
     
  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #308 tomásbernal, Sep 1, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2019
    Yes, it would be huge. And I'll clarify my previous post by adding that this isn't some inside info that I've received (which would be impossible, since I don't even have any inside access to the local YMCA leagues). There was a legit article from many months ago that stated that, and based on the source (can't remember which) I took it as truth when I read it.

    EDIT: Ok, I seem to have found the article that led me to believe the Homegrown territories rule was going to change soon. It's here. However, I guess I never read the full article because I don't have a subscription to theathletic.com (which I should, because several times a week there's an intriguing, non-click-bait headline that I see in the daily MLS news thread that I'd like to read, and it's almost always from theathletic.com). Regardless, the change looks like it will come sooner than later.
     
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  9. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Close but not entirely accurate. As of 2014, California was the overwhelming favorite (in fact, Southern California by itself would have been the clear favorite to beat Texas). There was a big gap between Texas and the next state. Only California and Texas could field entire starting lineups where every player would start regularly for most MLS teams.

    But after that it was a logjam, because every state had weaknesses. That said, a NYC metro area team would have been almost as good as TX -- at the time it would have drawn its top 4-5 players from the NJ side of the state line and most of its role players from NY.

    NJ had top USMNT stars but had to drop all the way to USL level to fill a starting lineup.
    NY had a ton of MLS bench level players (so no weak positions) but no real standouts. Basically, in the NY/NJ area, NY had quantity, NJ had quality.
    FL had elite attacking talent (Altidore, EJ, a few fringe USMNT pool players) and a terrible defense.
    IL might have had the second-best back line after CA, and solid defensive mids, but was almost devoid of attacking talent (basically Mike Magee and a handful of USL or Scandinavian lower league journeymen).
     
  10. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That said, NY and NJ probably would have pulled away from other states if state teams included US citizens who played for other countries. Pretty sure there were several from the NY/NJ area. (And Texas as well.)
     
  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We tend to give Alejandro Bedoya to Florida, right? Dax McCarty and others.
    We could probably come up with a starting XI of active players from Florida, but it would be nowhere close to the top contenders.

    Orlando's academy has been a disappointment (their early players like Tommy Redding and Pierre da Silva didn't develop, and they seem to have lost some interest). Inter Miami has made some very good academy hires, and look to be taking it seriously. That would be a big boon to the region.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I keep track and the high point was 2014 with Altidore, Bedoya and Zusi. Since then production has been disappointing.
     
  13. NietzscheIsDead

    United States
    May 31, 2019
    Please don’t.
     
  14. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    #314 Mantis Toboggan M.D., Sep 2, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2019
    American football and I believe baseball are similar, with Florida as well as California/Texas and to a lesser extent Georgia head and shoulders ahead of everyplace else
     
  15. Mantis Toboggan M.D.

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jul 8, 2017
    I mean, plenty of non-Americans have. As far as Americans you've got Parks who seems to be on a good path and Garza who was a good prospect before getting derailed by injuries.

    I'd actually say it's probably one of the better places for our young guys who aren't quite ready for a big 5 league, although it's also likely going to be more of a culture shock for an 18-year-old American kid than Holland/Scandinavia/BL2.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Parks seems on a good path? Really? I would not say that. I don't know if Keaton is just not good enough, but I don't consider stalling in Portugal so needing a loan (and maybe a sale) back to the US a good path.

    Or Boyd, who apparently couldn't get time at a mid-level Portguese team at all and then tears up the Turkish league? There's no way he shouldn't have been getting time in Portugal.

    I could be wrong here, but it just seems like players seem to do better with Eredivisie or Bundesliga teams. Or maybe it's just a small sample and wrong players in Portugal.
     
  17. NietzscheIsDead

    United States
    May 31, 2019
    1 California
    2 Texas
    3 NY metro (including NJ)
    4 New England
    5 Midwest (CHI, Missou, KS, OK, etc.)
    6 Carolinas + Virginia + Georgia
    7 Southwestish (ARI, UT, COLO, NM, NV, etc)
     
  18. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the DC metro area might be 4th. Chicago should also be higher but the Fire has messed up that region lately. Doesn't Florida have a decent scene.
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah........................I think on that list above New England is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too high.

    The list also ignores the contribution of the Pacific Northwest across all age groups right now. Historically a stronger pipeline than some give it credit for. There are players across these recent callups from the Pacific Northwest.

    Some of the best players on our upcoming U17 World Cup team come from the Sounders academy. Forward Alfonso Ocampo-Chavez and Danny Levya. Both of whom have already made first team debuts. Hassani Dotson, the US u23 callup comes from Seattle. Jordan Morris and DeAndre Yedlin are the current USMNT standouts. Kelyn Rowe has relatively recent USMNT callups. There are a bunch of players of MLS-level from Oregon, but I believe the only recent USMNT callup is Rubio Rubin.

    World Cup participants from the region? Kasey Kelly, Marcus Hahnemann, Chris Henderson, amongst a few more I believe.
     
  20. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    on one hand i cant believe paxton isnt getting a runout, otoh...

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019...omykal-hopes-add-usmnt-debut-milestone-season
     
  21. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  22. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    it is nice that mls players recognize that mls isnt as good as other leagues even if the commissioner cant. after all theres no shame in understanding where you fit into the soccer ecosystem at present and figuring out how to improve
     
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  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    There's a huge difference between not knowing where your league stands and how you publicly position it.

    Anyone that thinks Garber is an idiot or deluded isn't paying attention.
     
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  24. NietzscheIsDead

    United States
    May 31, 2019
    "Pomykal has already made a good first impression with USMNT coach Gregg Berhalter.

    “He’s been good,” Berhalter said. “It’s been fun to watch him up close. From what we see, we like. He’s a very intelligent player and a technically good player. He’s a great guy to be around.”

    What Berhalter is seeing first-hand now is what Cannon has known for years.

    “I’ve been trying to get Paxton ingrained into the national team system,” Cannon said. “I really want him to get the most success possible that he can have with the national team because I really do believe he’s the future.



    Well, we found Paxton's biggest fan. It's Reggie Cannon.
     
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  25. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    i think garber knows a lot more about business and expansion fees than soccer
     
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