I havent thrown out a parent in fore ever and it happened on two games in one week. First the HS GAME where the parent interfered with the ball runner, and then today solo U11 State Cup quarterfinal. Did I mention it was U11!!! Very skilled teams, with a lot of action. The skill level only compensates for their lack of control of their bodies so much. And at that age, the size differential is starting to appear. Green had size, orange had pint size. Green wins ball by going THROUGH the orange player. Orange player is run over. If it was an older boys game, here comes the card. Orange player stays down is is in obvious pain. Green team father starts yelling for the kid to get up, he’s not hurt “he’ll be back in the game in 30 seconds.” See you, Dad. After game is over, green wins 2-1, and a parent is yelling at me that I am the worst ref ever, etc, so, I turn to him to ask which team he’s with so I can get the coach to deal with him. He’s from the WINNING team. Parent number 2 ushered aside.
I haven't done many of them in the past couple years but in my experience U11 and U12 at the top competitive level is the pinnacle of parent craziness.
I think by U13 the reality has set in that their kids aren't the next Hamm or Pulisic. Except for the game I did with a U13 girls' DA team, in which they were indeed rather obnoxious.
Around here, U13, first year on a full-size field, is right there with it. Here, the parents seem to think they are real experts at “real soccer.”
True - yelling at an opponent should never happen However, I watched a match where the trailing team was on a 2on1 break at speed with less than 2 minutes remaining and a kid laid down on the opposite half. Ref stopped play. I think the coach had every right to voice his displeasure with the ref, not the kid.
If the ref believes the player is seriously injured it's 100% the right thing to do. And more than one of us are still waiting on your perceived intimate knowledge of that 4 year old youtube video.
This is the last I will respond to you. The ref walks to the AD - the AD responds. Common sense. Cause/Effect.
Editing a response to suit your side of the argument is bad form. I'm not sure why you think that helps your case. It's juvenile at best.
And if it was the Coach's son was having as asthma attack, sudden dizziness (or something similar), then I bet that same coach would be yelling for the ref to stop play in an instant.
Yeah, kind of like that coach who was telling me to "Let 'em play" yesterday. If I ever hear a coach say "Let 'em play" after I've called a foul against the other team, I might just pay a bit of attention to it.
Well, since we are on the injured player subject here. My match on Saturday, HSBV. Defender lunges for a ball in his own PA and makes contact with the ball but it doesn't clear more than 10 yards and attacking team has possession. Defender stayed down holding his ankle, I let play continue. and attacking team had control right around the edge of the PA for a good 30-40 seconds. They didn't want to kick it out and were pressing. I blew the whistle after the ball deflected to the injured player who tried to kick it with his good foot and I blew the whistle on him for PIADM. Defending team wasn't too happy with me, but I just calmly explained that it wasn't a head injury, and I looked at the player twice to judge how much pain he was in. He was helped off the field and did come back in about 20 minutes later for a bit. What say you? HSBV match. Attacking team WAS up 4-1 at the point of the injury, but I don't think that should matter. This ever happen to anyone else?
Watch the Canada-Panama women's game from yesterday. Falling all over the place was the key for Panama, and the ref wasn't having it. High school? Unless it was obvious head contact, play on until next best stoppage.
From what I'm picturing, PIADM seems a bit harsh--who was he putting in danger? Sounds like he was clearly injured, not getting up when his team needed him, and the ball comes at him. As I picture it, that's when I would have stopped the game for the injured player. (I fully agree with you not instantly stopping at this level.)
This is, to me at least, the trickiest navigation in all refereeing. There is no hard and fast rule. Seems like you took into consideration all circumstances and, as expected, still got complaints. (You can't win on this one) Age of players Emotion of players Place on the field Possession Score Type of injury Extent of injury Oh...and please make the correct decision that will please all players and both coaches. (ha....he said sarcastically) And in answer to your question. Yep...pretty much happens, to some extent, EVERY match.
How (many) people treat referees (parents/coaches/players) is one of the saddest commentaries on our society I've seen based on my time refereeing.
FWIW NFHS says to stop for injuries immediately. The remedy is IDFK for Well, i don’t think the defender was piadm. But if you had stopped play for the injury while the attacking team had clear possession, the remedy is what you got- idfk for attackers. I have previously espoused calling the attacker who brings the attack directly toward an injured player for PIADM, as they are thereby endangering the injured player, but this was not considered sound refereeing. Rather, as SoCal says, use the fact that the player does not get back up to play when play is nearing him as a sign that his injury is serious. (It is notable that NFHS says that we are to stop play immediately for injury, and does not make the distinction of “serious.”)
The indirect kick in HS works like a charm everytime. And what I mean by charm is, it infuriates the defenders IF the attackers have possession in a good spot, and it usually will take a LOAD of explaining to all the kids who play club. I had one a couple of weeks ago, where I got screened across the field, and my partner did not recognize a foul. The aggreived coach was upset at first, but then he realized the resulting kick was going to be for him 10 yards closer to goal.
So....I just did an entire BV game that felt like PIADM. 1st place vs 2nd place - worst field ever. Field is bad to begin with. Full baseball diamond in one half (entire diamond, not just a part of it). Other half has a slope that causes defense (and refs) to go uphill to get out of the zone. Rain, rain and more rain has made most of it a sloppy mess. And too many rainouts means we gotta get the game in. I talked to both coaches and they both acknowledge the crappy conditions, but want to play. Teams are decent. Home (country boys) has a nice touch passing game and away (fast city boys) plays kick and run with tremendous speed. Interesting in that to be big strong and/or fast was actually disadvantage as they would slip and fall whenever they changed direction. Small kids were better able to stay up. Both teams clutching and grabbing, but mostly just to keep their balance. Visiting team sends a long ball into the corner and striker and defender go full speed after it. They manage to keep ball in play (in the box), but both go down in a muddy splash. Defender is lying fully prone and realizes ball is sitting about 2 feet from his head. He slithers forward and heads the ball (about a foot). Meanwhile another attacker comes in to kick it and grazes the head of the defender. I am raising whistle to call PIADM on defender and I see ball go right to another attacker who buries it for the goal. Effectively I gave advantage, although I know I should have immediately stopped play for head injury. But only 2-3 seconds went by. Defender immediately gets up complaining that he got kicked in the head. Coach (who is a friend and fellow ref) basically saying same thing. I told them that the call would have been on defender and IDK in the box would have been the result, but that I played advantage. I had to make the defender leave and he was cleared shortly after to return. Once again, one of those plays that in hindsight, I think I might do different, but in the moment, it happened so fast that I can live with it.
Probably didn't describe it well enough. Even as long winded as I seem to be. Attacking team had control and player passed a ball to a teammate who was close to the injured player. When the injured player still tried playing the ball while he was on the ground with his good foot, he was "in the way" of the attacker that the pass was meant for. Sort of like the great line from the parents "He's playing the ball on the ground!" Attacker couldn't play through the injured player. But the injured player initiated the play on the ball. You're right it still might've been a little harsh, but it was just by the book IMO.
I had a coach dismissal and a parent dismissal over the weekend. VBHS, 2 teams playing to get the last spot for the playoffs. The field condition is pretty bad, it has been misting for the last few days and the football team just played on the field the night before. We have ruts and loose grass everywhere, not to mention completely bare spots where the football teams would usually stand. Anyway early in the first half I give a verbal warning to the away bench for keeping their comments to coaching not criticizing the referee team. In the second half I give the same warning to the home team. Both warnings were for minor disagreements, one for a throw-in close to the halfway line and the other for a areal challenge on the halfway line that I didn't call because both players did the exact same move. Now with only 6.4 seconds left on the clock I stop the clock for a head to head collision in the AR2 side of the home team penalty box. The home defender come in from the side and the away attacker had no clue he was there. The defender got the ball and bumped head to head with the attacker. In my opinion there wasn’t enough contact for a foul for either side, but seeing that the attacker was holding his head after the collision I stopped play while his team had possession on the edge of the 18. I checked on the players and made both come off for subs. The home team was screaming something and so was the away team. But I could not understand what they wanted because of all the noise coming from the stands. I restarted the play with IFK to the visitors and nothing come out of it. Right after I called for full time and before we went to extra time, the away coach is storming onto the field demanding why I didn’t call a PK for his team. Before I could even finish my sentence to calm him down, he is starting to yell things like it’s a horrible call, etc. At that point I show him a yellow card for dissent. He still doesn’t get the message and continues to yell and saying things like you can’t card me for this. I have enough so I show him a red card. He still continues and follows me while screaming. I call for the AD and he is still continuing. Once he sees the AD coming he starts to briskly walk toward his bench. At roughly the same time I notice a very vocal parent keep screaming at me, he was vocal throughout the game but didn’t quite reach the level of being addressed. He was easy to pick out because he was wearing a purple hoody and standing by himself next to a light pole. Once the AD came to the field I informed her to make sure that the coach leaves the premises and to remove the disorderly parent as well. She did a great job of making sure that everything was done properly and even escorted my crew to our cars with a Police Officer present. The game went to extra time and ended 0-0, proceeded to PK’s where the away team won 4-5.
Interesting you show coaches cards. I've always been under the impression that was incorrect. If they are mouthy I just follow the ask, tell, remove tactic. If I feel they need to leave, I just tell them so.