Panama V. Mexico [R]

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  1. El Cabrito

    El Cabrito Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Ca
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Ricardo Clark (scummier than RAFA IMO), Vs Gattuso.... Cleats out, knee high, nowhere near the ball. Fortunately it was a glancing blow and didn't cause injury but that could have been eerily similar to Chuatmocs injury.


    The sad part is that I can tell when my players act bad you guys have these magical Televisions that show that US players never deserve their red cards and it was always the refs fault. That is what is sad. You can't admit your team plays just as dirty as everyone else.






    You mean when I explained to you how Mexico was in 4th place with more home games to play than the Nads and how the Nads really haven't fared much better in CONCACAF save the fact that the played more home games? Yea no response because its the truth. Like I said maybe you should hold your comments till the end. Given the schedule the roles can easily be reversed.


    I see you concede the point you just want to point score board. Great spazzo argument, seeing as that is pretty much all a spazzo is qualified to read in a soccer game. BTW as far as reevaluating things... at the end the US's goal is the WC reffed by referees outside of the region where the US has already received 4 straight reds maybe the Nads should start reevaluating their approach to the international games and stop going by what is allowed in this joke federation.
     
  2. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    It's time for Mexico to man up and stop crying like bitches. You think going to Conmebol is going to fix FMF problems? Have you even watched Conmebol qualification? It's just as physical as Concacaf with a higher technical ability. You complain about Panama imagine trying to play Uruguay, Ecuador, or Chile.

    Mexico needs to get better period and crying about it won't help anything. First off it's time to start adjusting tactics and personal to better handle physical play.
    Second it's time to realize that the USA is the best team in the region and approach the game in August as underdogs. Bunker and force the Americans to possess the ball and strike on the counter like the Czechs did in WC2006.
    Third stop crying.

    As for Aguirre he needs a lengthy touchline ban and FMF should be forced to play WCQ behind closed doors thanks to the actions of it's supporters.
     
  3. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Dios mio. Look el Vasco is recognized to be an intense man and coach. That said you cannot rationalize the behavior as being in the heat of the moment. Aguirre did something coaches should not do. He's as big an idiot as Big Felipe Scolari. There is no place ever in the game for a coach to come out of his technical area and hit a player. Period. I am glad to see that Nestor De la Torre spoke about the embarrassment to the Federation and that internal sanctions above those that will be issued by CONCACAF will be undertaken by the FMF.

    This link is to remarks made by FMF President Justino Compean. He called Aguirre's actions an embarrassment.

    Many posters here are not thinking this out logically. Mexico is better than this.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=goal_fmf_boss_calls&prov=goal&type=lgns
     
  4. El Cabrito

    El Cabrito Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Ca
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    1) Fair enough on the Coward comment... I retract my statement.

    2) The thread has gone to hell more due to Nads talking shit about a game that didn't involve their team... seriously how does "uhh jeje... maybe the INS should have done security" help this thread? or the famous "Mexico won't progress until they admit that US is the best team in CONCACAF..." yea that has a lot to do with Panama Vs Mexico.
     
  5. SCCS Coach

    SCCS Coach Member

    Nov 29, 2006
  6. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico


    Mullet's are passe. Bad look.
     
  7. SCCS Coach

    SCCS Coach Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Well, as mullets go I'm afraid I'm going to have give Nestor a C-. He's got the business in the front right, but he needs more party in the back. I also like the touch of cutting off his sideburns way too high. If you're going to have a mullet without huge muttonchops, then shave them off ridiculously high.
     
  8. TallTowerMan

    TallTowerMan Member+

    Apr 8, 2007
    SoCal
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Cabrito, I think pretty much everyone in this thread (most nads:D included) have disowned that comment and the particular poster in question is now on the outside looking in. Anyone that knows me knows that I don't tolerate that kind of crap and I will deal with it swiftly and harshly.

    I don't mind all the backs and forths about each others teams, coaches, and/or fans. It's part of the game and of an internet forum. So, unless you go racial, ethnic, sexist, or OTT flaming, post away guys.
     
  9. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico


    See that is one sides viewpoint...much like Mexican fans look silly after their team made voodoo dolls of the US players and then justified Heyduk getting slapped because he said something 'disrespectful' is another viewpoint. Mexicans fans seem to demand respect...they just don't seem to be willing to give it.
     
  10. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    HAHAHAHAHA, we bunker in our own home ,talk about thinking you are the best of the best,lame american fan,we dont even bunker against brazil in the azteca and we are gonna bunker against usa,lame american fan.

    o i forgot usa defeated spain,usa is new best team in the world :rolleyes:hahahahahahaha

    i have already said in various threads that right now usa is the best team along with costarica,and that we are playing like crap,and i have never complaint about panama,show me where i complaint about panama,dumb kid

    and going to sudamerica its not gonna solve our problems inmediatly,but its gonna force us to play every single game with all we have,its gonna make us grow,because we are gonna play REAL tourneys,not fake tourneys,we are gonna get what we pay for,and yes i have watched some SA WCQ,you think you are going to tell me about it,hahahahahahahhahahha

    usa defeated spain,usa new best team in the world :rolleyes: hahahahahahhahahahahha

    we may lose that game in el azteca nothing is impossible (costarica did it), but its because right now there is a combination of us playing completly like crap (any team can win against us and that proves we are at an all time low level) and usa team playin very good.
     
  11. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    I agree.
     
  12. SCCS Coach

    SCCS Coach Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Somebody needs to be the bigger man here and let this go so we can move on to more important aspects of this game, like Nestor de la Torre's mullet.
     
  13. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    lame,see ya kid
     
  14. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    No way I totally agree again. Stop making sense.
     
  15. elcibernetico24

    Jun 28, 2008
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    talk about other american followers saying im 12 :D:rolleyes:;)
     
  16. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Ha Ha just having fun with you homie.:D
     
  17. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    I'm a little late to the discussion - and I am damn mad that I turned off the game ~ 5minutes before it went crazy. It's pretty hard to understand the whole thing when I watch youtube highlights.

    Anyway - here's my thoughts on repercussions;

    CONCACAF should really throw the book at everyone (Pan/Mex/USA). But they won't due to $$$$

    1) Awarding Panama a 2-0 victory might be reasonable, but CONCACAF won't because of $$$

    2) Mex coach should wind up looking at a long ban (2 months?) because of repeated issues with FMF bench. But it won't happen -see (above)

    3) Phillips should be looking at the same. And since Panama doesn't draw $$$, it might happen.

    4) The USSF/Houston Mexico fans deserve a severe administrative beatdown because of terrible security. CONCACAF should ensure that there are no Mexico games in Houston for a good 1-4 years. Factoring in $$$, that may be no big deal because USSF/Mex can get equal $$$ in LA games, so this may be a reasonable unpublicized backroom deal.

    5) Not exactly a repercussion, but many Mex players showed a lot more class than I thought possible, so good on them.
     
  18. SCCS Coach

    SCCS Coach Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    I don't think Panama should be awarded a 2-0 win, that seems entirely unreasonable to me. If for no other reason than their conduct on the field. They mugged Mexico for 100+ minutes. The assault on Ochoa (that looked almost exactly like the one Rafa Marquez executed against Tim Howard btw) was atrocious. I would say a 1-1 result was pretty much justified.
     
  19. aguimarães

    aguimarães Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Relieve the magic...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztzVJJ5fgA"]YouTube - MEXICO vs PANAMA 1-1 Highlights 07-08-09 Copa Oro Gold Cup 2009 HQ[/ame]



    Anyways from the beginning of the game the Panamanians hacked at Mexico, similar to the Nicaraguans in their first game. Anyone who´s followed the Panamanian team for a while remembers the days before their football bacame organized (around a decade ago,) this was standard. It´s interesting that even as poorly as Mexico is currently playing, teams still feel the need to resort to spoiling tactics. Everyone here seems to have missed Perez laying into Ochoa at bofore he assisted Panama´s goal. When a referree lets one team foul the other repeatedly, eventually he loses control of the match, he´s partly to blame for this. I´m surprised it didn´t end up like the infamous Peru Honduras Gold Cup match back in 2000.

    But there wasn´t any excuse for Aguirre kicking Phillips, and his half-assed apology afterwards. He was clearly frustrated by the way the Panamanians were playing, and for Phillips shoving Mexico´s #5. I´ve never seen a professional coach (particularly one who coached in Spain´s Primera Liga) stick his foot out to try and stop a ball when players are fighting for it, I´m calling bullshit on that. The second Mexican coach who shoved him deserved at the very least a yellow.

    As far as the fans, considering they were probably Mexican-Americans and the game was in the US, it´s doubtful there will be any punishment to Mexico in their following matches. They´re obviously pissed at both the way their team is playing and the way their opponents play them, but there must have been hundreds of cups/ice/trash thrown onto the field; classless. The security was even worse (laughing at Phillips while he was on the ground, WTF??) Ochoa rose above everyone else on the field by escorting Phillips to the locker room.

    Another black eye for CONCACAF, but hopefully Mexico realizes something is seriously wrong before they end up in front of a real hostile crowd in South America or missing the Cup entirely.
     
  20. Wyrm2

    Wyrm2 Member

    Apr 29, 2007
    Silver Spring
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well books were certainly not thrown at the Mexicans... Aguirre gets a 3 game ban and the federation is fined $25,000. The money quote...

    After reviewing video and several reports from numerous officials on site, including the match commissioner, referee, assistant referees and others, the disciplinary committee determined that while Aguirre was not attempting to injure Phillips, he did leave his designated area to engage in activities that resulted in contact and instigated the incident.
    "The committee acknowledged that Mr. Aguirre is well known to them as a responsible person and it was their belief that this was an aberration rather than any aspect of his normal behavior," CONCACAF General Secretary Chuck Blazer wrote in his letter to Mexican Football Federation General Secretary Decio de Maria informing him of the decision.

    I guess this does put quite a bit of pressure on Mexico to get to the final, since if they don't Aguirre misses the game against the US at Azteca :)
     
  21. drunkguy10

    drunkguy10 El Sancho

    Dec 26, 2006
    No idea
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Why exactly? the only thing he did wrong was get out of his area, but he never kicked the stupid Panamenian. Look at the vid again and you'll see Aguirre reaching for the ball and the idiot crashing into his leg. and if you rewind that same play, you'll see a close up of the Panamenian kicking away the leg of the Mexican player so he wouldn't reach the ball.

    Aguirre should be suspended a game or two tops. And if the idiot coach of Panama wants sanctions, concacaf should sit and watch the whole game again so they can start giving sanctions to several other panamenians that deserved red cards.

    Also, for those of you who are bashing the Mexican fans, you should know that Panamenians were inciting the Mexican players by making gestures at them. I saw some of them in the game, but I heard from people who were there, the worst was off camara. And then the little bytches complain about being thrown shyt at.
     
  22. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    3 games and 25k for aguirre... i think its fair, he will be ok for the US game
     
  23. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Thank god, major meltdown averted.

    Well probably not, but with such a little slap on the wrist anyone that complains will look stupid.
     
  24. SCCS Coach

    SCCS Coach Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    Yea, now Mexico won't have any stupid results with Aguirre back on the job. Nothing like, say, losing to El Salvador.
     
  25. IMperfect

    IMperfect Member

    May 6, 2009
    chicaligonia
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    Re: Panama V. Mexico

    That was a stupid result. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
     

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