The numbers I saw were a good deal higher for Saudi Arabia and with 2 other Middle Eastern countries were the only rich countries above the world average. Saudi Arabia was lower than Jordan though.
A few years ago, the TFR of Saudi Arabia was higher indeed. Although Saudi Arabia has a high gross domestic product, there’s a lot of poverty, although not a lot of extreme poverty. Income inequality is very high in Saudi Arabia.
“Developing nations" suffer from abject poverty not due to over-population, but because of government and corporate corruption, and the lingering effects of colonialism. https://www.pop.org/third-world-population-growth-first-world-burden/ The over-population discourse, paints people in Africa/Asia as leading mankind down to a road of near tragedy. For many Westerners, a poor family of 8 in Niger will lead to the demise of the Earth more than ONE American, whose energy consumption on average is equal to the consumption of over hundreds of people in some developing countries. These people completely ignore the historically unprecedented wealth and resource inequality. When Americans waste over 50% of food produced, it’s hard to believe that immense poverty in low-income countries is a result of overpopulation and not due to Western over-consumption and resource hoarding. Why Americans Lead the World in Food Waste https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/american-food-waste/491513/ How Much of the World's Resource Consumption Occurs in Rich Countries? https://www.globalpolicy.org/social...rce-consumption-occurs-in-rich-countries.html The overpopulation rhetoric makes the most marginalized people who have the least influence on deteriorating the condition on Earth, most to blame, and risk to be subjected to genocides, eugenics, and sterilization to lower "over-population". It isn’t up in the air, when the US, Israel, and Canada, already partake in forced sterilization. Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims https://www.forbes.com/sites/elisek...igrant-women-with-birth-control/#6649a65267b8 That Time The United States Sterilized 60,000 Of Its Citizens https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sterilization-united-states Sask. Indigenous women file lawsuit claiming coerced sterilization https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sask...suit-claiming-coerced-sterilization-1.4348848 In fact, such population control is occuring right now in Burma, where overpopulation is being used to justify genocidal policies on the Muslim minority. Burmese Muslims given two-child limit https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/25/burma-muslims-two-child-limit In the case of India https://www.pop.org/third-world-population-growth-first-world-burden/ As expressed in this exchange between a Nigerian activist and BBC, Western manipulation encourge birth control in many developing nations, when there often isn’t a local demand for it, while disregarding the stated needs of the people.
You're right that Africans have the least influence on deteriorating the condition on Earth, but Africa is also developing fast. Its gross domestic product is estimated to be $2 trillion, but it is estimated to be $29 trillion in 2050... Annual total fertility rate estimates for Nigeria: 5.5 - 5.5 - 5.0 - 4.8 - 4.4 - 4.1 The rapid decline followed after recents efforts of the Nigerian government and the Family Planning 2020 project to increase the amount of free contraception. https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/adding-it-up-contraception-mnh-nigeria https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/...ly-planning-ahead-of-population-boom-20190130
The problem is not necessarily a large population, but a huge population growth. If a very large amount of a nation's people is youthful, the working / dependency ratio is out of balance. This will result in unemployment, poverty, not enough money for education systems and so on. And the risks of wars increase tremendously. It's a snowball effect. China was extremely poor before its rapid birth decline, with millions dying from starvation. China developed very fast in recent decades after its birth rates fell very fast. It is both ways: Poverty results in high fertility rates AND high fertility rates result in more poverty. Both are true. Here you can read more about it: "High birth rates hamper development in poorer countries, warns UN forum" https://news.un.org/en/story/2009/0...r-development-poorer-countries-warns-un-forum If you want to get people out of mass poverty in Africa, you'll have to make more efforts in a birth rate closer to somewhere around two.
China didn't develop because of falling birth rates though. They did because they radically changed economic policy.
Generally speaking, economic and social changes create the fertility changes and not the other way around though. Fertility rates decline for two reasons: 1) declines in infant mortality 2) increases in economic productivity in two ways: urbanization and gains in agricultural productivity If those two things occur, then fertility rates decline regardless of the implementation of any public health family planning measures, although those certainly help reduce the rate further. There is a feedback loop of lower fertility rates leading to increased growth....up to a point, however. At some point an economy is adequately developed and fertility rates are sufficiently low such that reducing fertility is actually a drag on growth. Japan. The burden of caring for pensioners falling on a smaller working age population is labor intensive. This is a drag on the economy.
The famine in China was because of communist mismanagement. You're beating around bush, the over-population myth is not the issue. Besides the claims of overpopulation in African and Asian countries by Westerners, coresponding with typical racism and concern for the declining replacement rates of Western/Westernized nations. The causes of poverty and destitution in the devloped countries, is caused by the Capitalist system. It ignores distribution of wealth in favour of maximisation of production, this alone has caused countless of deaths and conflicts as Western governments are forced to feed their unquenchable predatory economic monster and their self-indulgent, over-consuming and excess materialistic lifestyle they have created, or risk collapse at home.
How about instead of trolling and whining on the internet about "over-population" in Africa and Asia, blaming them for "over breeding", you pick a partner and produce plentiful offspring to reverse the declining rate in the west
Pro-Freedom, it seems you didn’t read my texts at all or you didn’t understand anything of it at all.
Troll. I called it from the beginning. Trying to mask this as an "honest conversation." Can we all ignore this thread now?
You Trump guys don't believe in climate change I guess? We're already facing problems with a population of the current 7 billion, with a lot living in extreme poverty. What do you think will happen if the population grows to 11 billion in 2100 and the African people will also have a much larger consumption pattern? We have limited resources, for around 3 billion people if we want to give them all a decent lifestyle like in the US or the European Union. We can try to keep close to that figure in the near future, or we can be blind and let wars and famines around the world reduce the global population. I'm against forced birth control, like what happened in India (with forced sterilisations) and China (one child policy) to avoid a huge disaster. But all women should have access to contraception and all men and women should have access to education. Africa doubling its population every 30 years can't go on long without huge problems. I think the richest countries should invest more to help the poorest countries develop faster.
If you're talking to Pro-Freedom, he's making an anti-Trump argument, arguing that concerns about high African birth rates are a form of white nationalism. If you're talking about another poster, hmmm I can't figure out who that person would be.
It has nothing to do with racism or white nationalism, or do you think Bill Gates is a skinhead? Trump doesn't give a shit about the future of the world and the future of Africa, that's why he won't fund free contraception for Africa anymore. He's only thinking about now and he doesn't give a **** about the future of us and our children. I'll try again: Advantages of a huge, continuing population growth: 1) ...? Distadvantages of a huge, continuining population growth: 1) Lack of resources in the long term 2) Increasing environmental problems 3) More unemployment 4) More poverty 5) More wars 6) More terrorists (ever heard of Boko Haram?) 7) Shitty future for the next generation(s) Everyone would benefit from less extreme birth rates. If you would have read the articles I've posted, you would have understand why these are linked with a huge population growth. On Easter Island, a mass extinction occured because of overpopulation, which resulted in cutting every tree on the island. It resulted in getting out of wood, which resulted in getting out of materials to built boats to catch fish, which resulted in a non-populated island with huge statues when Roggeveen discovered the island. If we close our eyes for problems, like they did, we can have somewhat comparable disasters on a global scale. If we take the problems seriously, whe can prevent mass extinction. There's a limit of the global population which can live on the earth. Just read some books of scientist Jared Diamond and you will understand why overpopulation is a serious problem. If we want to have a liveable planet for the next generation(s), we should be aware that nature has its limits.
If one puts the OP on ignore, the whole thread becomes "Ignored Content" on the forum page. Just saying.
Yes, great progress has been made since the 1980s, and I’m optimistic because I believe we can stabilize global population within the next decades. But the global population is still increasing, although at a less extreme rate than in the 1980s. We’re not there yet. I want a bright future for everyone, and a continuing population growth won’t be a good thing for anyone on the long term.