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Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by KMJvet, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    If you don't view humans as being responsible for knowing when to stop, then it is also irresponsible to have alcohol at any public event? There are people for whom it will be a problem, but players aren't more susceptible. I _would_ view it as wrong to give chips as an incentive in a gambling anonymous group. And if you knew a particular player had a gambling problem you'd hope management would offer to exchange them straight up. But this is all discretion and responsibility, which are important and difficult components of society.
     
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  2. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You are completely missing the point. The point is not whether or not the players will make good decisions with the chips they are awarded, it's whether or not the casino is participating in a predatory practice by offering chips as an award in the first place, which they are.

    Nice try at derailment, though.
     
  3. sacrxy

    sacrxy BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 6, 2003
    What’s stopping the players from cashing in the chips for 100 real dollars if that’s what they want?
     
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  4. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm missing your point, too. The "predatory practice" you describe is premised by you on the notion that players will inherently not make good decisions insofar as they are enticed by the bonus chips into entering casinos and losing money there, presumably through gambling. Your argument seems to connote an inherent moral objection to gambling that you do not harbor related to alcohol consumption.

    I'm sympathetic to your position. I have a visceral disdain for gambling that I don't for drinking. But I'm hard-pressed to articulate the distinction in the two vices. You appear to be, as well.
     
  5. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    As I said before, if there are no restrictions on cashing them out once awarded it's not as bad. That doesn't mean it isn't gross.
     
  6. MtnGardener

    MtnGardener Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 21, 2017
    No. You are missing the point. Gambling isn't inherently predatory. Pushing chips on a person you knew had a gambling problem would be predatory. You would be acting like a predator, trying to ruin someone. Otherwise it is just something some people do for fun.
     
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  7. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You are correct in that my distaste for this practice is that they are factoring in that a certain number of players will spend the chips they've earned in the casino, likely resulting in them losing that money as the odds are always and will forever be in the house's favor. It's a way for the casino to increase its own business via charade that it's a bonus for players. It really isn't. It's designed specifically to get players to spend money in their casino. Maybe the players will exchange them for cash (if allowable), in which case, it might work out for the players favorably. Whether they actually do or not doesn't change the fact that it is a ploy by the casino.

    I have no moral objection to gambling. I think it's stupid, but adults are allowed to make their own decisions. However, gambling remains a predatory business by nature. It is inherently unfair as the odds of winning are always lower than your odds of losing. It also preys upon people vulnerable to addiction for the core of its revenues. That's why casinos have no windows, it's why slot machines are timed to pay out a certain amount in carefully crafted increments of time, it's why drinks are often provided gratis. My objections are more about how gambling operations prey on the vulnerable, not with the act of gambling in and of itself.

    Alcohol companies also famously target the vulnerable. That doesn't mean I don't think people should be allowed to drink, only that many of the practices of the alcohol industry are gross and should be changed.
     
  8. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Other Team's results?
     
  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Street Soccer USA has been doing something similar in San Francisco, supported by Wondo and also SF City FC.

    For example:

    https://www.classy.org/san-francisco/events/ssusa-bay-area-corporate-cup-2017/e121361

    http://sfcityfc.com/botb/
     
  12. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Why is this a material distinction?
     
  14. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Because it is NYCFC and it's in New York. That makes it "better".
     
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  15. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    uh, because running a sporting event for 24 hours straight is kinda a lot of work and takes some pretty dedicated volunteers. I haven't participated in any of those midnight run fundraisers or anything like that, but it's a big deal for me to get up for easter sunrise service... ;)

    I know bay area streetsoccerusa is a lot of work too. I'm not discounting them at all and in fact I sponsored my son's team in 2016. I think streetsoccerusa is an excellent organization and I donate to them annually whether or not my son is playing.
     
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  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    From the San Diego expansion thread....NASL folding? Ouch! Twice in a Lifetime? I can't take it anymore! Chinaglia just turned over! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

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  17. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :(
     
  18. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    This should not exactly come as a shock...
     
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  19. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    NASL news is not prominently featured in Corriere dello Sport, so cut falvo some slack. :)
     
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  20. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Although il Corriere Dello Sport talks about southern Italian clubs, I mostly read la gazzetta dello sport which talks about the real clubs!
     
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  21. NedZ

    NedZ Member+

    May 19, 2001
    Los Gatos
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    LAFC announcement:

    We are proud to announce that we have sold out of all Full Season Memberships for the Club’s Inaugural Season.

    “The passion and enthusiasm of our supporters has truly been special,” LAFC Owner and President Tom Penn said. “Together with our community, we continue to make soccer history in the heart of Los Angeles."

    17,500 Full Season Memberships were sold for the 22,000-seat Banc of California Stadium, set to open on April 29
     
  22. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    There is an eerie feeling of deja vu...
     
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  23. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    A second team in LA will do that. :)
     
  24. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    No - that's deja ewwww.
     
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