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  1. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    My exact thoughts on the team filled with speed which is a most necessary component for winning football today.
    The Dutch have lacked athletically and in the speed department the past 2 qualifying campaigns, and that has bore out poor results.
    Winning football today is about pressing and playing quickly.
     
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  4. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    For Belgium v Holland, Martinez is planning on resting quite a few players and he also said he'll use all 6 subs. I'd almost prefer watching France v Germany instead, but it's the derby after all, so I won't. We've played some crazy derbies. You never know. This might be a good one.

    Belgium, Spain, Italy, Switzerland and Portugal are guaranteed a top seed in the EURO2020 Preliminary Draw (on 2 Dec.) and can't be relegated from League A. France will join this list with a draw or a win against Germany in today's game. Holland have both everything to lose and everything to gain. The NL relegation battle, qualification for the Final Four, who'll grab the few remaining top seeds for the ECQs, which two League A teams will end up in pot 2, and so on will be decided during next month's international break. Best of luck.
     
  5. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Indeed this will be a good one, even if some of the big guns are unavailable. Key match-up for me to watch is De Ligt vs. Lukaku (28 goals in last 26 international caps... or something impressive like that). Hopefully MDL won't get bullied around, if he was, well, at least it'll be good learning experience to up against a powerful beast. Also excited to see Rosario making his debut - hope he won't disappoint. He is a disruptor with his tall body and lanky legs, and he can also spread the ball. We'll see if he is speedy enough to keep up with the game.
     
  6. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Yep, Lukaku bagged a goal goal every 64' since Martinez took over (and Henry did lend a hand as well). The atmosphere has been quite convivial. Lots of talk about Holland's promising talents and the 3-0 against Germany, likening that game to a Low Countries derby from about 6 years ago, the 4-2 win was the moment when things started to look rosier and Belgium started to qualify for major tournaments again.

    I'm not expecting a high tempo game, maybe hit the accelerator a few times like in the previous derby, but I doubt they'll exert too much energy. I wouldn't mind being wrong.
     
  7. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Belgium's starting XI: Mignolet, Alderweireld, Boyata, Denayer, Castagne, Chadli, Tielemans, Witsel, Mertens, Lukaku, Hazard.

    1/2 B team, 1/2 A. That makeshift defence is worrying.
     
  8. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Netherlands XI: Cillessen; Dumfries, De Ligt, De Vrij, Aké; Van de Beek, Blind, Strootman; Promes, Memphis, Danjuma Groeneveld

    Also an experimental side. With Strootman and Blind in midfield (no Frenkie De Jong in sight) the hope of a high-flying tempo game is pretty much gone. I predict a lot of back- and side-way passes.
     
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  9. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    We are also resting a few players. Its pretty much even given you are the hometeam.

    Lets hope for a good match :thumbsup:
     
  10. venema20

    venema20 Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Van Dijk is so important to this team. De Vrij has had a rough start
     
  11. venema20

    venema20 Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Also, Strootman and Blind in midfield lol. Way to kill an attack real quick
     
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  12. venema20

    venema20 Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Memphis is a star
     
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  13. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    More enjoyable than I had hoped for. Plenty of subs coming up though.
     
  14. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    I really hope for a change in midfield. Strootman has been better than expected although he still lost the ball that almost lead to a Belgium goal. Donny has been sub-par, I hope he gets subbed out. Other than that I’m pleasantly surprised by how the Netherlands reacted to the sub-par opening minutes. Depay is great, Danjuma also inspires confidence. Shame the Promes’ attempt didn’t ricochet into the goal. Hope we can snatch the win.
     
  15. venema20

    venema20 Member

    Jun 17, 2014
    Donny has been okay. He intercepted the ball that started the goal. Had his up and down moments
     
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  16. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I thought vdBeek was good as well
     
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Can we sign up Groeneveld as our Ajax striker ASAP??

    I'm not sure why he plays midfield cause he looked good as a forward
     
  18. wilson00

    wilson00 Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    What about nathan ake. Some of us being very critical about him. Feyenoordsoccerfan?
     
  19. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    So our tactic is passing the ball at the back until one player decides to hoof it forward and lose possession? Jesus, this is pathetic. We’re just hoping Memphis creates something out of nothing at this point. No creativity whatsoever. Haven’t seen anything special about Rosario either.
     
  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    He was playing on the wing and not as a MF.
     
  21. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    The only thing we found out today is that the Dutch B team is better than the Belgian B team. If Belgium is without Eden Hazard and/or de Bruyne they are just an ordinary team.
     
  22. Jpows

    Jpows Member+

    F.C. Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jun 4, 2018
    All in all a good result away against Belgium while missing some key players. Could have gone either way in the end. Danjuma left a positive impression on me. Depay is the star of this team. Aké actually did very well. Really missed Frenkie in this one.
     
  23. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    But the 1-1 was played as a striker
     
  24. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    I knew I should have switched over to France v Germany during the 2nd half. Germany lost their must-win game. A draw in Holland v France guarantees France advance to the Final 4 and thanks to Holland's 3-0 victory over Germany it basically guarantees Holland stay up and top seed status for the ECQs. Of course Holland can always look to grab the win against France and go for qualification to the Final 4 themselves.
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Belgium was more dangerous surely?
     

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