Orange, the rebuild starts now

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  1. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I thought van Dijk wasn't called up this time? Otherwise I'd have him in over Hoedt obviously.
     
  2. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    No expectation from me from these two meaningless friendlies, result-wise, but if anything, what I'd like to see is that the young(er) players have the bulk of the minutes and get the much needed experience. De Light, Tete, Van De Beek, Vilhena, and Locadia in particular. Let's look positively into the future!!

    Anybody north of 26-27 years old should step aside from these matches and make ways ... Sneijder, Babel, Blind, Strootman, Wijnaldum, Propper, Dost, etc.
     
  3. Uhm, these matches AFAIK are still important for seeding spots, so in fact there is no willy nilly match.
     
  4. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Janssen and Locadia are out injured. Not sure if there's any other attacking players worthy of a call for their replacements. Bergwijn injured as well. We will probably see some of the old-timers again... KJH, RVP, Lens, Elia, etc. :laugh:o_O

    Ryan Babel will register a hattrick :cool:
     
  5. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Luuk De Jong was called :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. 1 goal in 1132 minutes, but it's enough to wear the orange jersey. Frankly, I can not stand Dutch football, I'm on the verge of discouragement.
    Even Weghorst would have deserved more to be there than De Jong, or even Brandly Kuwas.
     
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  6. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  7. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member

    Apr 5, 2005
    ^^^ So many teams have passed Dutch team: Swiss, Belgium, Poland, Serbia, Denmark, Croatia...Refusing to learn new things and adapt we are left behind. It is a mandatory that the new men team should watch how Greece 2004 or the women team won Euro...
     
  8. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    See quote below
    Krabbendam on who'll take over from Advocaat and help build a new Oranje. Advocaat most likely gets replaced and has put a few names forward: Gullit/Rutten? Koeman?

    Do you feel Holland should go with a more pragmatic manager, a healthy dose of realism is required?
    Who's on this list? V.Marwijk? Koeman? V.Gaal said he isn't looking for a job.

    Would you prefer more of an idealistic one, a forward-looking manager adding fresh ideas is needed more now?
    Who's on this list? AFAIK no Dutch manager is breaking new ground, so look to hire an expat manager?

    Also, it's really odd Holland don't have a director of football (or a comittee), especially at a time when you're looking for a new manager and Dutch football is in need of change.
     
  9. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    To add to your AFAIK:

    - For the final draw of Qatar2022 the results of these matches are completely irrelevant, i.e. will have zero impact on your ranking by the time of the final draw. It's a winter WC with the final draw taking place in April 2022. It's unlikely that the Oct. 2021 ranking will be used (contrary to Russia2018, a summer WC, with the final draw based on the Oct. 2017 ranking). Also, depreciation would have placed these results in the lowest yielding timeframe (in the unlikely event they'd still be taken into account). Even when you have aspirations to get as highly seeded as possible in the final draw this is the best time to experiment.

    - For the European 2022WCQs the qualification process has not yet been announced. FIFA are reviewing their flawed rankings, especially because playing no/very few friendlies is how NTs gaming the rankings can get up there. As a general rule: avoid any friendlies in the year leading to the draw and every year limit the number of friendlies to the absolute minimum (e.g. Wales played 0 friendlies in the year before the 2018WCQ draw and ended up in pot 1). This rule is expected to be obsolete if somewhat competent people are reviewing the rankings. With the draw in July 2019 the highest yielding timeframe hasn't started (just in case the review fails to address FIFA's flawed ranking and it remains unchanged on that point). IIRC Holland were one of the few NTs that had a couple of their WC2014 results in a higher yielding timeframe. Other NTs saw all of their WC2014 results depreciate because FIFA should have calculated the rankings which were used for the July 2015 draw a handful of days later. It didn't help much though. Still FIFA should take better care of their rankings (or limit the impact they have). We'll have to wait and see if they're up to the task first and even then we'll have to act surprised when FIFA makes unusual decisions, as is their tradition.

    - There's also the possibility that FIFA's World League or UEFA's (global) Nations League will be linked to WCQs. We can only speculate ATM. Yet seeding might be based on how well you perform in FIFA's World League/UEFA's (global) NL, cfr. UNL and seeding/play-offs for EURO2020.

    - For the UEFA coefficient friendlies don't matter and with the creation of the UNL the impact of the coefficient is hardly worth taking into account (unlike friendlies, avoiding to play competitive matches harms your coefficient anyway).

    TL;DR: these matches are most likely not that important for seeding spots
     
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  10. I was talking about us being seeded in qualification groups. We, because of our good results in matches for decaes have profited from "light" groups to qualify. If we get a rough road to qualify, the last thing I worry about is the seeding in the WC itself.
    As we need friendlies to build the team we cannot do the stupid thing again that costed us a pairing with Spain and Chili in 2014, friendlies against low flyers and for sure not loosing them.
     
  11. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    @feyenoordsoccerfan ... my posts are always highly informative, both educational and enjoyable at the same time ... this is the part about being seeded in qualification groups:

     
  12. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    According to VI, Kevin Strootman will captain Netherlands on Thursday.

    Probable XI Cillessen; Fosu-Mensah, Van Dijk, Rekik, Aké; Wijnaldum, Blind, Strootman; Promes, Babel, Memphis

    On a different note, Sneijder is not considering retirement.. :rolleyes:
     
  13. I know. That's why I forgive you for supporting Lukaku;)
     
  14. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    A striker like Lukaku is quite handy in the qualifiers, you know ... guess who scored the goal that secured qualification, AGAIN :inlove::inlove::inlove:
     
  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    For those in the USA, the match with Scotland is scheduled to stream on ESPN3.
     
  16. Why is there a friendly Scotland - Orange? Neither of us are going to the WC.
     
  17. Demmit. BS changed the search tool. It now is cumbersome to quickly look up things. In fact it's f*cking bloody annoying. Mod!!!!Complaint!!!
     
  18. richsavare

    richsavare Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Good detailed post. UEFA FIFA are so screwed up with their ridiculous seedlings.

     
  19. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Good teams won't play us for fear of being humiliated when the get beaten 4-0!
     
  20. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    The Netherlands should look at Pep Lijnders...but good luck prying him away from Liverpool. Give him full control to hire who he wants and organize our developmental structure. We badly need a forward thinking, innovative young couch like him in the system.
     
  21. 2nd_striker

    2nd_striker Member

    May 21, 2008
    London
    Nice goal from memphis! Still not happy bout babel in starting line up
     
  22. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Yes it was a great counter attack started and finished by Memphis. Babel has actually been much more effective than say Janssen. I've actually been impressed by his movement and one touch passing.
     
  23. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    other than the nice play on the goal the team has been quite average. MF is a disaster with no quickness or field awareness.
     
  24. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I just got home and I'm tuning in now to watch this debacle.

    We're up 1-0??? Thats a miracle
     

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