One-Time Switches In/Out of USA Setup

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by BostonRed, May 16, 2013.

  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Jurgen mentioning that he wanted Aron Johannsson on his one-time switch, I was thinking what other players have used their one-time switch into & out of the US NT/YNT?

    Here's my initial finding:

    IN
    Teal Bunbury
    Edgar Castillo
    Fabian Johnson
    Jermaine Jones

    OUT
    Arturo Alvarez (to El Salvador)
    Fuad Ibrahim (to Ethiopia)

    Others I missed?

    ETA: The rule was implemented in 2009, so previous changes (like Subotic) aren't covered under this rule.
     
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  2. Adiaga Two

    Adiaga Two Member+

    Oct 4, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where the hell did Alex Zahavi end up? Bangladesh?
     
  3. DANNO49

    DANNO49 Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Hawthorne CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kei Kamara for Senegal
     
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  4. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Playing for a team in the Portuguese top flight who average, get this, 3,000 fans per game.

    Anyway, looks like he's set on repping Israel.
     
  5. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Also, not sure if he's actually made it but has Sonny Guadarrama made his switch to Mexico? I know he was considering it. Used to play with the dude but I've lost touch over the last few years.
     
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  6. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kei plays for Sierra Leone and was never really in the US system, was he? He got his 1st cap in 2008, so we would have been covered by the "under 21" rule.
     
  7. (TxT)

    (TxT) Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Tampa, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Steve Purdy have to file the one time switch to play for El Salvador?
     
  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't look like he played in an youth cap-tying games for the US. If Wikipedia is to be believed, he played 10 games for U17, U20 & U23 teams. He made the switch in 2011, so he would have been covered by the new rule if he had been provisionally cap-tied.
     
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  9. an1310

    an1310 Member+

    Jun 2, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    Neven Subotic had to file a one-time switch.
     
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  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I found a couple more exits:

    OUT

    Nick Millington (to Guyana)
    Gerson Mayen (to El Salvador)
     
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  11. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A few things wrong here. First Kei is Sierra Leonean thus he plays for Sierra Leone, not Senegal. Kei was never part of the US program either so there was never a switch to be made.

    Steve Purdy (El Salvador)

    I doubt it, he isn't good enough for that to be a realistic option.
     
  12. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Technically, it looks like he didn't: http://espnfc.com/news/story?id=605171&sec=us&cc=5901

    I believe the rule at the time was that you had until age 21 to declare your national team choice and Subotic was 20 in December 2008.
     
  13. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    No no certainly not now, but I'm trying to remember if when the whole US U-20 vs. Mexico U-20 thing was going on (he was involved with it) if that was after or before 2009. Must have been before since we were 22 in 2009, actually.

    Disregard. And yeah he certainly isn't good enough for Mexico lol. Hell, I couldn't believe it when Sonny went pro.
     
  14. an1310

    an1310 Member+

    Jun 2, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    I seem to recall the rule was a youth international could file a one-time switch before age 21 as long as the player hadn't played an official game for the senior team. The 2009 rule change eliminated the age restriction.

    Regardless, we've seem to benefit more than we've lost.
     
  15. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See above. Did he ever play in a provisionally cap-tying event? I see 10 youth caps, but couldn't find anything that indicated he played for the US in a youth competition.
     
  16. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol I have to admit I chuckle a little every time I see the title of his Yanks abroad thread "Sonny Guadarrama faces painful decision" I know that's kind of mean but dude isn't good enough to face a painful decision.

    Sorry I didn't even see that post or your reply to it, doh!
     
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  17. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And one more:

    OUT

    Soony Saad (to Lebanon)
     
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  18. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what about Andy Najar from DC United.
     
  19. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder how many countries feel the opposite of this.
     
  20. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    At the risk of hijacking the thread, I had a question about a certain case, since I'm still not 100% clear on how this change works for dual nationals.

    Robert Acquafresca has an Italian father and a Polish mother. He was being courted by the Polish Football Federation but eventually opted to play for Italy.

    If you look at his wiki entry under "International career" the wording almost makes it sound like the decision was final. However, so far the highest level that he's represented Italy at is the Olympic team.

    So could he still switch to Poland?
     
  21. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yes. as long as he was eligible for a Polish passport by the time he played his first official youth caps for Italy. I assume he was eligible for it because his parent was Polish?
     
  22. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Najar is still not a US citizen.
     
  23. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    ^ This is correct.
     
  24. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had forgotten about Dustin. I wasn't sure they had ever gotten the switch filed properly, but he's on the Gold Cup preliminary roster.

    OUT

    Dustin Correa (to El Salvador)
     
  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada is probably the most snake bit, though I don't know if they all came up through their youth teams. I think the better soccer nations like Germany and Brazil won't notice it. We will catch some immigrant kids who decide to go bigger rather than faster (plus most kids from Germany). I expect our "out" numbers to be much higher in the future, though we will still profit from some high quality "in" players who aren't quite good enough for the big teams.
     
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