Official Pablo (as coach) thread

Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.7059
2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.59375
3. 2010 - Smith - 1.5333
4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
6. 2011 - Smith - 1.4412
7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.4375
8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.40625
9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.1875
16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
19. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.03125*
20. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
21. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*
22. 2017 - Mastroeni - 0.666

All-Time Overall:

1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
5. Mastroeni - 108 Games - 1.20
6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
8. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

Playoff series records:

1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A

 

I knew this season was bad, but I didn't really realize just how evil it was.

 

One of these is not like the others.

How on God's Green Earth does the same manager have the best, 17th, 20th, and (so far) 22nd ranked seasons (out of 22)?

 

And would you bet on that horse to win in its next (23rd or 2018) race?

 

I think it has more to do with KSE.

 

Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.7059
2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.59375
3. 2010 - Smith - 1.5333
4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
6. 2011 - Smith - 1.4412
7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.4375
8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.40625
9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.1875
16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
19. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.03125*
20. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
21. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*
22. 2017 - Mastroeni - 0.5

All-Time Overall:

1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
5. Mastroeni - 110 Games - 1.19
6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
8. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

Playoff series records:

1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A

 

Good players make good coaches. Front office bears responsibility for the roster.

 

Seems to me a little deceptive, if we fail to make the playoffs this year we've made them 1 out of 4 years with him = .25, the one year we did make them we won one and lost one = .5. So .25 x .5 = .125 as a more accurate Pablo playoff 'batting average'. Also unless I'm missing something silverware category = .000.

 

That's all covered by the asterisks in the season records. The section quoted is about how successful they are if/when the coach makes the playoffs.

 

If the Rapids lose to KC on Saturday Pablo will have the sane number of points in the same number of games as Fernando Clavijo.

 

If that's a sane number of points then commit me to the local looney bin!

 

So what you're saying to us all is, how really true fan are you?

Also, we had pink slips, paper bags, pirate flags and wore all black in those days. I know we've been more civil to the RFO since then, but maybe it's time to unretire those items?

 

Firing Pablo will solve nothing. The problem is KSE period. Until KSE. Sell the team, this pattern of rebuilding every time the team shows any success, will continue.
KSE destroy all the team's they buy. Like Trump and casinos. Doomed to fail.

 

Pablo can't make them win. He doesn't know how. He is out matched. KSE is outspent.

 

Replacing Pablo doesn't fix all of the things wrong with the club, but it does fix some of the big ones. Management may have ultimate control over things like budgets and resources, but they do not pick the lineups, play-style, or tactics. It is possible (and probable) that some of Pablo's failures as a coach are due to a lack of support from management, but there are also a number of things that he directly controls that he has failed at...repeatedly.

I really do not think its a stretch to believe there are a number of qualified and reasonably priced alternatives that could do a better job given the same tools and circumstances.

The ideal coach for the Rapids is the type of person that is capable getting more out of less. This means running a system that supersedes individual talent, but can squeeze more out of players by virtue of the team being bigger than the sum of its parts.

Pablo is most certainly not this person, and he by contrast is far too dependent on individual talent/effort to be effective. Thats why this team was good the one year we had a stacked roster, and absolutely abysmal the other three years when the squad was thin and lacking reinforcements.

Furthermore, I think it's quite possible that he's lost the dressing room, or is at least on the verge of losing it. Once that's gone there is no way to get it back. Honestly, the one person I'd be watching very closely is Tim Howard. If he speaks up to management about the team's performance, it could change things pretty dramatically. Because of who he is, and how much of an investment he is, he is the only person on the team capable of causing real change. His displeasure at the 10 guys in front of him over the last two games may be highlighting that a storm is brewing inside the FO. At least...I hope thats the case.

All roads at this point lead to Pablo being replaced. It is the most simple and immediate thing that can be done to change the trajectory of the team.

 

This x100

Only way the RFO removes PM is if Howard gets pissed enough. otherwise PM will ride out his new contract or extension or whatever they gave him.

 

Please note how this is done PM

RSL Coach @petkemike after 5-0 halftime deficit and 6-2 defeat at Dallas pic.twitter.com/qzkG1e8rWc

— Steven Goff (@SoccerInsider) June 4, 2017

 

Season-by-season; Asterisks indicate years we missed the playoffs:

1. 2016 - Mastroeni - 1.7059
2. 1999 - Mooch - 1.59375
3. 2010 - Smith - 1.5333
4. 2002 - Hankinson - 1.5
4. 2013 - Pareja - 1.5
6. 2011 - Smith - 1.4412
7. 1998 - Mooch - 1.4375
8. 2005 - Clavijo - 1.40625
9. 2004 - Hankinson - 1.367
10. 2009 - Smith - 1.3333*
11. 1997 - Mooch - 1.28125
11. 2006 - Clavijo - 1.28125
13. 2003 - Hankinson - 1.267
13. 2008 - Clavijo/Smith - 1.267*
15. 2000 - Mooch - 1.1875
16. 2007 - Clavijo - 1.167*
17. 2012 - Pareja - 1.08823*
17. 2015 - Mastroeni - 1.08823*
19. 1996 - Houghton/Wegerle - 1.03125*
20. 2017 - Mastroeni - 1.0
21. 2014 - Mastroeni - 0.941*
22. 2001 - Hankinson - 0.923*


All-Time Overall:

1. Smith - 104 Games - 1.43
2. Mooch - 128 Games - 1.41
3. Hankinson - 114 Games - 1.29
3. Pareja - 68 Games - 1.29
5. Mastroeni - 115 Games - 1.22
6. Clavijo - 114 Games - 1.18
7. Houghton - 31 Games - 1.06
8. Wegerle - 1 Game - 0.00

Playoff series records:

1. Smith 4-1 - .800 - Won MLS Cup
2. Clavijo - 2-2 - .500
3. Mastroeni - 1-1 - .500
4. Mooch 2-4 - .333 - MLS Cup appearance
5. Hankinson - 1-3 - .250
6. Pareja - 0-1 - .000
7. Houghton - Never qualified - N/A
7. Wegerle - Never qualified - N/A

Pablo is now the second-longest tenured coach in team history. Assuming he makes it to the September 9th game in Houston he'll be the longest serving Rapids coach.

 

Sad part is, PM hasn't been here *that* long to be our longest tenured coach. Seems like an issue to me.....

 

Average length of a MLS coach tenure is about 3 seasons (Of the 126 non-interim coaches in league history, they've coached on average at least part of 2.88 seasons).

Sigi had 10 years in Columbus, the only double-digit coaching tenure. Only 20 coaches in league history have coached in 5 different seasons with the same team. Only 8 have gone over 6.

So the Rapids are maybe a bit odd in that they've never had a 5 year coach but beyond that they're pretty much in line with the rest of the league.

 

IMO, there's too many people reflexively arguing for coaches for life in mls.

 

I would love to find coaches good enough to keep their job long term. Maybe a down season here or there, but generally competitive.

I suppose MLS is no different than anywhere else....

 

I would like to see more first time coaches in MLS over the constant recycle of re-treads. Some ex- players will be good coaches others will not regardless of how many chances they get and since soccer is a relatively young sport the re-treads rob the chances of finding new coaching blood.