Official "Mike Burns is Really Bad at His Job" Thread

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  1. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    There are plenty of tangible reasons why Mike Burns should no longer be the GM.

    Can anyone think of one good reason for him to stay? I can't.
     
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  2. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s easier to do nothing?
     
  3. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The owner/investors only care about money and still only want a yes man?
     
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  4. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    at this point Biello should be fired for not firing Burns and letting him lead the search for a new coach
     
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  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As fans, our criteria for what makes a good GM is far different than that of the people who really matter--the owners who pay the bills.

    We want a guy who is savvy, knowledgeable and experienced enough to know what kind of players we need, to actually get them, and to manage the cap-um, I mean budget-efficiently. And all of that is the foundation of a competitive team on the field.

    What the bosses want is a guy who will work within the budget (financial and staff) they give him, not ask for more, even if he needs it to do better in any of the areas in the previous paragraph. Don't rock the boat, make the team competitive enough so it isn't terrible, and keep saying "we tried" if anyone tries to ask.
     
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  6. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The wags among us might note that Burns hasn’t done a very good job on the “make the Revs not terrible” front. But what do we know?
     
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  7. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
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  8. rkane1226

    rkane1226 Member+

    Apr 9, 2000
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    United States
    I don’t know how tongue-in-cheek your use of the phrase “people who really matter” was intended. I believe that for (nearly?) every other team in MLS the consumer/customer/fan is a major stakeholder. Only in NE do we find a different paradigm.

    We are all so comfortable acting like capitalist consumers with company’s big (as Big as Amazon) and small (as small as one person plumbing, electric, etc. companies.). But for some odd reason we can’t insist that Bob Kraft should take his customers seriously as stakeholders... (maybe not what your post meant but it has been said on this forum a million times).
     
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  9. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    No, all I mean is that the people who are the ultimate decision-makers on whether that blithering dolt is doing a good job or not. It sure seems that none of us do, not even the thirstiest Kool-Aid Drinkers. But the Krafts, in fact are satisfied, otherwise they would be looking to make a change there too.

    It really doesn't matter how much we kick and scream about his total incompetence. If Bob Kraft is happy that he doesn't make the the team lose too much money, then there will never be a change.
     
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  10. NFLPatriot

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
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    United States
    Be sure to watch the video (about 7 minutes long) embedded in that article. Wiebe and Warshaw discuss Friedel's firing. Even they think Burns should be on the hot seat.
     
  11. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Right Tom, that has basically been the job description. But it might be different now because the team is nowhere near "competitive enough". In fact it's now a laughingstock, due to neglect. And we know the Krafts hate embarrassment.

    Friedel was a disaster. But I doubt Blooter told him he'd only have 3 central defenders to work with this season.
     
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  12. A Casual Fan

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    Mar 22, 2000




     
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  13. TOAzer

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    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doubling Down on Incompetence, and Doubling Down on Contempt for the Fans, may be one way for the Krafts to have "fun" when the Orchids are not at hand..... but in terms of the future of their franchise it is Doubling Down on a Death Wish.
     
  14. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Maybe he was out getting a massage?
     
  15. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Want to get their attention? Stop going. I have not been to a game in years and will not go again until there's something to see. He who shall not be named was worth going to see. Taylor Twellman was worth going to see. JJ was worth going to see.........who do we have now? Nobody!
     
  16. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    I would say Gil is worth going to see, but I too have stopped going, just not worth the trip. If the ownership doesn't really care, why should I? Trying to balance that with being a fan, but it gets easier and easier to stop caring when you keep on seeing the same BS behavior from the leadership of the Revs.

    AND lest we forget, even with the win, we are tied last place with an expansion team who has a game in hand on us. AND Orlando, 1 point in front of us has THREE games in hand on us.
     
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  17. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Yes, if you want to take the longer view on it, I'll give you that. My point was that given the situation in early May 2019, no player in their right mind would sign a big contract with the team.
     
  18. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Have you gotten their attention by not going?

    Didn't think so.
     
  19. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Maybe havent got their attention but I do still have my $$$$ and nothing from their pro shop
     
  20. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    The problem with Burns' stance is that it seems to presume that he has the right to keep his job as long as the overall record is 'okay'.

    Hmmm, he didn't take that same view (nor should he have) when he let Steve Nicol go. Nicol could easily have made the same argument: don't just look at the last few years, look at the whole tenure.

    But, that all ignores the reality of the business, i.e., what have you done for me lately? Burns has already had a tenure far beyond the norm in that position, with results far less than the average. I would say that when your team is in a steady and dangerous decline (which Burns has continued to fail to notice, or at least acknowledge), that this is really a two-strikes and you're out situation.

    When Burns did need to fire Nicol, it was critical to get the replacement right. I wouldn't say hiring Heaps was a total failure (it worked for a while), but it was a very risky one - and when a calculated risk goes wrong, there should be consequences. After all, he is the one who went out on a limb ... for his friend/associate. Then he followed that with another failed home-run swing. That seems to confirm that his inclination is to go for hirings that are both safe (familiar, limited concessions/changes necessary) and risky (lack of significant head-coaching experience) - and that haven't worked. Two strikes and he should be out (and that doesn't even go into all the other non-head-coach hiring blunders).
     
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  21. TOAzer

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    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    great post..... but unfortunately it is a reality of the Krafts' soccer business to ignore not only us [who would expect otherwise?] but also reality
     
  22. A Casual Fan

    A Casual Fan Member+

    Mar 22, 2000
    Good phrasing. The presumption that having an overall W-L record that is 'okay' seems to be a philosophy embedded up and down the Revs org - one that excuses subpar performance (sometimes chronic subpar performance) on a wide range of aspects that are visible and important to typical sports fans.

    That being said, it is also possible that Burns is being held to a very stringent standard - one where "okay" isn't even close to good enough - on other aspects of running the Revolution enterprise that are less visible to fans; or that aren't tied to W-L record. It's possible he is measured very critically, and may well be succeeding on those.

    However, it is hard to imagine with specificity/precision exactly what those "other" aspects are, given that they would need to be rather far removed from the team W-L record (since there is some level of correlation between financial performance and W-L record.). Another example - some aspects like community engagement and charitable efforts by the Revs seems to be looked on favorably by fans, but I do not think they are in Burns job scope. So, that leaves a shrinking pool of candidates for what these "other" aspects could be.
     
  23. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Brian O'Donovan was the "General Manager," he was more of a business manager, and not what we tend to think of in terms of a sports team GM. I can see if his performance would be based on business metrics like attendance and overall P/L.

    Burns, less so. He is more of a typical sports GM, where he is clearly involved much more on the player side, even if there is some ambiguity. Regardless if he's the one going grocery shopping and Friedel is the chef, if the meal tastes like warmed-over Alpo, both of them are to blame. I can't imagine how you can shield Burns from several years in a row of sub-par results, no matter what the circumstances.
     
  24. Minutemanii

    Minutemanii Member+

    Dec 29, 2005
    Abington MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, the fact that we are pondering what is and what isn't just illustrates to me their lack of transparency and the their keeping us in the dark. So for that reason alone, they suck!
     
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  25. jaykoz3

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    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States

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