Official "Mike Burns is Really Bad at His Job" Thread

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by Mike Marshall, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was inspired by a couple of tweets I saw last night...





    ...which reminded me that Mike Burns is really bad at his job. Don't believe me? Ask the people that have to deal with him.







    MLS GM Survey: Burns is Worst GM to Negotiate With

    OK, maybe you don't believe the first-hand reports or don't think they're important. Wins and losses are what really counts, right? OK, let's look at his record since he was named General Manager:

    2012: 9-17-8, Missed Playoffs
    2013: 14-11-9, Lost in Conference Semi-Finals
    2014: 17-13-4, Lost in MLS Cup Finals
    2015: 14-12-8, Lost in Knockout Round
    2016: 11-14-9, Missed Playoffs
    2017: 13-15-6, Missed Playoffs
    2018: 0-1-0, TBD

    Total: 78-83-44

    I mean, that's not great, but it's not horrible either, right? Here's another way to look at it...

    Mike Burns record as a GM when Jermaine Jones doesn't play: 58-76-37

    The best thing that's ever happened to Mike Burns in his professional soccer career as an executive is that Don Garber didn't pull out the envelope that said "Chicago Fire" on it. Because if that happened, there's no MLS Cup run in 2014, and they probably don't make the playoffs in 2015, either.

    Mike Burns is really bad at his job.
     
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  2. pwykes

    pwykes Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Auburn, MA
    It’s amazing that he still has his job. It’s also proof how little Kraft cares about the Revs - he would never stand for such mediocrity/incompetence at such a key position in the Patriots (or any of his othe companies).
     
  3. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As bad as the win-loss record is, we need to look at other areas that demonstrate your point.

    Academy. After Fagundez and Caldwell, it's stagnated and has not produced a regular member of the game day 18 in years. Maybe Angking will change that but not a good first team record in the past 3 years.

    Partnerships. Other than arranging some off-season training and getting a low quality defender, the Sporting relationship has yielded nothing.

    Same for the relationship with Rochester.
     
  4. Dr. Sneezy

    Dr. Sneezy Member

    Jul 2, 2016
    Josh Smith had a salary of 53K last year. London Woodberry made 69K.

    Would it have killed them to keep one of them around to provide some depth at CB?
     
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  5. Feldspar

    Feldspar Member+

    Nov 19, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can’t have them taking up roster spaces that we might use!
     
  6. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    I would add that most of the players he does manage to sign dont really add anything in making us better. I see us as the same as last year with a few different names. I also think BF may have been a mistake. I will wait until two or three more games to be sure but that is my feeling at this point. Yes he played at high levels for many years but he was in goal. Im not sure how that experience qualifies someone to design an offense or even pick the correct players for the correct positions.

    Next game has little chance of winning with no starting CB's starting so I will wait until two games out before deciding on what I feel about Friedel. My gut feeling is not positive at this point. We'll see
     
  7. Cannons

    Cannons Member+

    May 16, 2005
    Fixed your post
     
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  8. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After it was announced that BF was hired as the Revs manager; Craig Burley on ESPNFC smiled and said that there was never a successful manager that was a former goalie. It didn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, but there is always a first. However, combine that with an average ability squad and it looks like a long season.

    I would love to see Burn's annual performance review; Mr. Kraft I kept the salary for players below the league maximum budget. Excellent work Mike.
     
  9. Steve_R

    Steve_R Member

    Feb 25, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    #9 Steve_R, Mar 5, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2018
    Walter Zenga. Not here though, elsewhere.

    Edit - and I guess if we're counting he has only had 1 really successful spell (at Catania) so maybe this doesn't entirely prove Burley wrong..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Zenga#Managerial_career
     
  10. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok you beat me to it, I was going to give you a half point for Zenga. Since he has coached 17 teams over the last 18 years. The half a point is for longevity! :D
     
  11. hornetbiz

    hornetbiz Member

    Oct 3, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Bruce Arena was a goalkeeper. He had a fair bit of success in MLS.
     
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  12. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll even add my tweet to him which he liked
    Replying to @RonWaxman @Russ_Goldman
    heard he is weak when it comes to finding, identifying and negotiating with players and that some agents avoid him. is that fair to say?

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  13. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Quoting Craig Burley...What a mistake. I'll go stand in the corner now!:oops:
     
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  14. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He very clearly heard me yelling "Fire Burns" at him when he walked by us in Philly. The look he gave me wasn't very appreciative, shockingly.
     
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  15. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
    #15 firstshirt, Mar 5, 2018
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    That should be a chant at every home game
     
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  16. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Time to start up the fire safety campaign again.
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  17. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lets take a look at this another way. As the league gets better every year and more competitive top to bottom a teams goal should be to improve every year. Now this is obviously open to debate but take a look at this comparison. Is this team keeping up with the progression of the league? These are the opening day starters from 2015 to 2018. It is the responsibility of Burns and those above and below him to get the job done. when you put these players side by side it really is sad that it has basically been the same team skill wise since 2015 even though a few names have changed

    Shuttleworth = Shuttleworth = Cropper > Turner
    Alston < Farrell = Farrell =Farrell
    Farrell > Watson < Angoua = Dielna
    Goncalves= Goncalves = Delemea = Delemea
    Tierney = Tierney = Tierney = Somi
    Caldwell < Koffie > Caldwell = Caldwell
    Fagundez = Fagundez = Fagundez = Fagundez
    Rowe = Rowe = Rowe > Zahibo
    Dorman < Nguyen = Nguyen > Penilla
    Agudelo > Davies < Agudelo = Agudelo
    Bunbury = Bunbury < Kamara > Bunbury
     
  18. BERich

    BERich Member+

    Feb 3, 2012
    New England
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With your permission, I've changed my avatar also.
     
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  19. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I kinda agree with the general conclusion (the W-L records make it kinda obvious), but that particular comparison is bonkers - one game per season is an oddball sample, and the opening match even more so.

    And are you really that certain after one match that our new additions (Somi and Penilla) are not a net improvement to the squad?
     
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  20. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, in MLS the level of play is improving every year across the boards, and has been for several years. That's good, but it's kind of like negotiating a 15% pay raise for yourself and feeling pretty good about it. But then you realize you live in Argentina, and in order to keep pace with inflation, you need to be making 20% more just to break even.
     
  21. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Burley missed a few good ones. For example, Dino Zoff, former goalkeeper in goal when Italy won the 1982 World Cup, won the UEFA and Italian Cup double in 1990 as Juventus manager. He then nearly won Euro 2000 with Italy as manager.

    Goethals was another one, winning the CL in 1993. Other examples.

    So yes, there have been good managers that were former GKs.
     
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  22. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018...ution-offered-krisztian-nemeth-multiple-teams

    Uhh... Krisztian Nemeth is making HOW MUCH???

    They’ve offered him to several teams, but the sources said New England could have a hard time unloading Nemeth unless the Revs are willing to eat a portion of his $1 million 2018 salary.

    If you're keeping score, Mike Burns is responsible for the fact that his boss is paying Krisztian Nemeth and Claude Dielna a little less than $2,000,000 this year.
     
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  23. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Bayern München
    United States
    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He just sucks at what he does. Nobody will take Nemeth and his million dollar salary. So Friedel benches his two best offensive players the first game in Nemeth and Lee which basically make up 1.5 million in salary
     
  24. Mike Marshall

    Mike Marshall Member+

    Feb 16, 2000
    Woburn, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and another $1.5 million in center backs got red carded.
     
  25. a517dogg

    a517dogg Member+

    Oct 30, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    what a farce
     

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