Official 2016 J2 thread

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  1. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Great comeback for JEF today, 2 goals in injury time to turn it around! Cerezo won as well, while Thespa impressed the most winning 4-0 with a completely new team! (8 regulars are gone since last year ).
     
  2. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Not too many goals scored this week in both J1 and J2 but there was a strong contender for the goal of the season!

     
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  3. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    I will just leave it here

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  4. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Cerezo up against Montedio away this weekend. Could be a tough game, but Cerezo have looked very impressive so far both in defence and offence ( should have scored more goals than just 3).

    Strange to see Renofa being a rather big favorite away against Yokohama FC. Apparently a big move on the away-side here, but even though Yokohama have been poor I wasn't exactly impressed by Renofa either last weekend when they lost 0-2 at home vs Machida. And Ibba will most likely get his first start for Yokohama, which should improve their offence a lot.
     
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  5. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Renofa lost also this weekend, but against Machida they played really well. Only 4 points until now, but maybe they have to settle to this division.

    Meanwhile, Kamatamare looks really sharp.
     
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  6. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
  7. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Nice goal Consadole!=) Very strong win, not impressed by them vs Tokyo Verdy and Ehime, but they are off to a good start nonetheless.

    Gifu seems so far like a Dr Jekyll and Hyde kind of team: Their first 2 matches were absolutely horrible, but they have now 2 strong wins in a row. 3-0 away vs Ehime is impressive.

    Cerezo with another 1-0 win, this time it was substitue Tashiro who saved them late in the game. Perfect start!

    Mostly disappointed by Shimizu and Montedio so far, but to Montedio's defence they have had 3 matches away. Roasso on the other hand are the biggest positive surprise. Thought they were going to struggle near the relegation-zone this season, but still early so anything can happen.
     
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  8. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Don't forget Fagiano Okayama, It seems this will be their's year.
     
  9. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    For at least playoff, it could be.
     
  10. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Think it's a bit early to tell yet as they haven't met the best of teams so far. The only player they have brought in of any significance this season is Shingo Akamine. He is clearly needed, as last season they only scored 40 goals, and already it seems to be paying off as he is linking up well with Oshitani and Fagiano are actually the highest-scoring team so far in J2.

    They got a talented squad for sure, and the backbone of the team is strong with Nakabayashi, Iwamasa, Kaji and Akamine up front. Players like Oshitani ,Yajima and Okamoto will just get better and better probably, but they finished only 11th last season so hard to say.
     
  11. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Is Koki Kiyotake Hiroshis brother?
     
  12. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Yes.

    He is younger than Hiroshi, and he is a set-pieces specialist too.
     
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  13. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Cool, thanks!
     
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  14. Issei Wong

    Issei Wong Member

    Japan
    Dec 21, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Renofa Yamaguchi destroyed Cerezo Osaka in today match. This newly promoted team from J3 taught Cerezo how football should be played. They have potential to win a place in J1 next year along with Machida Zelvia, another newly promoted team. Both of them sit on top 3 of the table after 13th matches. Surprise?

    Cerezo was awful to watch in all matches they played so far (mostly) even in those matches they won. Luis Santos is a substandard striker. Bruno Meneghel also not up to a foreign player standard. Kakitani is a shadow of the player once he was. They seems find it hard to score enough goal. 14 goal from 13 matches suggests they really lack of firepower.
     
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  15. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    About Renofa, no surprise. Last year they suffered a little to have already won the title and they lack of effectiveness, but they did it.
    In the pre-season, I thought they could reach play-off zone. For now, this seems possible.

    About Cerezo... nothing new under the sun. They have a superior squad, but Okuma... I don't know. Plus the foreign players - beside Souza - seem useless.
     
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  16. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Did you actually see the match? Nobody was destroying eachother whatsoever, it was a game with lots of chances at both ends and at 2-1 up Cerezo were VERY close to killing the game and burying the Yamaguchis ( would you have used the word destroy in that case, if Cerezo had won 3-1?) . The 4-2 goal is 100% a result of Cerezo putting all their players up front ( the only played remotely near their own half at that counter were Sekiguchi, who is not even a defender!), and some nice counter-attacking play from Renofa. But destroying? No way.

    And awful is another very strong word which again makes me wonder if you actually saw the matches? Did you see how dominant they were against Shimizu and JEF? How tight their defence were against Machida, Mito, Thespa and Montedio, barely letting any of the teams come to ANY chances at all?

    They lost 0-1 away against a Consadole-side who is impressing more and more each round, and pretty much any team will have a hard time up in Sapporo this year. The 0-2 loss at home vs rivals Kyoto were a letdown, but even in that game they deserved points according to chances.

    I do agree that Ricardo Santos is an awful striker with a horrible first touch and finishing qualities. Would love to see another player in his position, and even within the team there are far better options. The only thin he is good at is his post-play, and he creates space for the other players. Meneghel have not been that bad. Not saying he is a top class player, but he works his socks off every single game, and have made some decent contributions offensively too. We will continue to see him and Sekiguchi rotating / subbing which is ok imho.

    Kakitani have been brilliant in many matches, and is a much more mature player now than what he were earlier. He holds a deeper position, so you can not expect him to score as many goals as before.

    I'm more concerned about the FW position with Ricardo Santos being a bore, and our other striker Sugimoto ( although he plays more wide) probably couldnt even score in a brothel, but atleast we always create lots of chances.
     
  17. Radu Razvan

    Radu Razvan Member+

    Mar 1, 2013
    Bucharest, Romania
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    Yes, maybe destroyed it's a harsh word, but clearly Cerezo are not playing at their best. Fukumitsu is a great player by the way.
     
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  18. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I'm still confident they will finish on top of the table, or atleast clinch one of 2 direct spots.
     
  19. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    How come this guy is still a pro? I bet he would have problems breaking 5 goals line in J3.
     
  20. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Meh, I still prefer Sugimoto play as #9 over Ricardo Santos. Useless player ... seriously, I can't think of anyone more useless than him.
     
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  21. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Yeah, after all he's 0,0056 better in goals/shots ratio compared to Santos. And it isn't a joke for Cerezo's supporters.

    I bet you wouldn't do worse than that.
     
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  22. Issei Wong

    Issei Wong Member

    Japan
    Dec 21, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #22 Issei Wong, May 16, 2016
    Last edited: May 16, 2016
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    Ok. The word "destroyed' is not appropriate to describe the situation. But I did not actually watch the whole match. In fact, I watched their match almost every week. What I mean is that with all the players they have now, they could have done much better.

    Yes, their defence is much better now compare to last season, I can see it from their other matches. But I am very critical of their offense. You can disagree but this is my personal observation. Anyway, thanks for pointing out my inappropriate use of words.
     
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  23. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I disagree on our defense being better. We play much more defensively but that doesn't mean we improved defensively/defend well. I see too many mistakes/errors & our offense isn't impressive as you pointed out. It's painful to watch actually... Just punt the ball to Bruno & let him do whatever he wants until Kakitani figures out to score.
     
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  24. Issei Wong

    Issei Wong Member

    Japan
    Dec 21, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Huh? I didn't point out that their offense is impressive. It's the reverse actually.
     
  25. nipponbasse83

    nipponbasse83 Member+

    Jun 17, 2007
    Ichikawa, Chiba, Japan
    Club:
    Consadole Sapporo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Haven't you noticed that if a player has managed to get a pro-contract, even how badly he performs he will still be picked up by another club? This goes for managers as well, and not only in Japan.

    I'm 100% sure that there are better strikers with sharper finishing skills etc in lower divisions / amateur clubs than for example players like Ryosuke Kijima ( or his brother Tetsuya, who is even worse) ( Around 20 goals in 200+ J2matches), Ryuichi Hirashige or Satoshi Kukino, to name a few. ( Sure, some of these players have some decent qualities, but not as a FW).

    Yet, these players are constantly being picked up by new clubs when their contract expires. It's like a rich gentleman's club: Once you have managed to get a membership and a foot in the door, you have to do something extraordinarily bad to get kicked out.
     
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