Octavos de Final- como ven los cruces de Copa 2010?

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  1. CharlieBrown

    CharlieBrown New Member

    Nov 14, 2004
    FL
    I reckon 4 Brazilian teams will be in the quarterfinals, and 1 will make the final. Estudiantes and Velez get the weakest teams ;)
     
  2. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    There's a bit of a parallel between this year and last year if you look at both tournament's round of 16.

    In 2009, there were 5 Brazilians, ditto for 2010.

    In both 2009 and 2010, the #1 team in the round of 16 is Brazilian (Gremio in 2009, Corinthians this year).

    In both 2009 and 2010, there were 2 Brazilians on one side of the bracket and 3 on the other, and in both years, the 2 Brazilians who were on the same side of the bracket met in the round of 16, thus ensuring that there would be no more than 4 Brazilians in the quarterfinals.

    And that is precisely what happened.

    Sport (6) was eliminated by Palmeiras (11). The quarterfinals then saw 4 Brazilians and two were matched vs. each other (Cruzeiro vs. SPFC), thus ensuring at most 3 Brazilians in the semifinals and therefore a possible all-Brazilian final. Palmeiras was eliminated, so of the 5 Brazilians in the round of 16, only 2 survived to the semifinals - Gremio and Cruzeiro. Gremio, while ranked higher, fell to Cruzeiro.

    In 2010:

    Corinthians (1) faces Flamengo (16). So that's one Brazilian in the quartefinals. In the other side of the bracket, we may have 3 other Brazilians - assuming SPFC (2), Cruzeiro (10), and Internacional (6) get past Universitario (15), Nacional (7), and Banfield (11).

    If the Brazilians all advance, we then have 4 Brazilians in the quarterfinals:

    Corinthians or Flamengo
    SPFC
    Cruzeiro
    Internacional

    And JUST LIKE in 2009, we would have another all-Brazilian matchup in the quarterfinals, and it would AGAIN be SPFC vs. Cruzeiro. If Corinthians or Flamengo and Internacional reach the semifinals, THEN we would have 3 Brazilians in the semifinals and the possibility of an all Brazilian final.

    There are always a number of upsets, when lower-seeded teams eliminated higher seeds. Case in point are Estudantes da Prata ousting last year's #3 in the semifinals and Cruzeiro, #5, defeating the best team from the group stage, Gremio, in Gremio's stadium.

    So Corinthians fans, don't get all excited - you may have to put up with Flamengo advancing from the round of 16. :D
     
  3. devilman

    devilman Member

    Dec 26, 2004
    Houston,Tx.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    I know this has probably been covered already , But I see Velez has to play vs. Chivas.. did Chivas get a free ticket to octavos for the H1N1 last season? in wich they dropped out?? This is what im guessing..... :confused:
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Yes, Chivas and San Luis did.
     
  5. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Mi pronóstico para 4tos de final:

    Corinthians(BRA)-Univ.de Chile(CHI)
    Vélez Sarsfield(ARG)-Once Caldas(COL)
    Sao Paulo(BRA)-Cruzeiro(BRA)
    Estudiantes(ARG)-Internacional(BRA)

    No he visto jugar a Guadalajara este año, mi única duda es Vélez o Guadalajara.
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Guadalajara won't have its mundialistas available. So, they will be a depleted team for both the Mexican league and Copa Libertadores.

    Velez got it easy.
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    First of all, get the name right. It’s São PAULO. SÃO PAULO!!!!! Not this “sao paolo” Italianized nonsense.

    But “(ARG)?” The hell?

    São Paulo is a Brazilian club. O SÃO PAULO É UM TIME BRASILEIRO!!!!! :mad:

    :D
     
  8. Broncano

    Broncano Moderator

    Jul 31, 2006
    Lima
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Don't mind him.

    Francis É SAFADO :D
     
  9. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    HAHAHAHAHH!!!! repped.
     
  10. Willito

    Willito Member

    Mar 3, 2008
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Alianza Lima
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Fixed your post.
     
  11. chaski

    chaski Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Itchycoo Park
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    http://www.conmebol.com/conmebol/activeCompetition.html?x=40&sub=2&id=15120&type=1
    La CONMEBOL estableció las fechas y horarios de los partidos de ida de los Octavos de Final (3a. Fase) de la Copa Santander Libertadores de América 2010, los cuales se llevarán a cabo la semana próxima.

    Programa de los juegos de ida de Octavos:


    27.04.2010 | 18.45hs. (23.45 GMT) | San Luis FC vs. Estudiantes de La Plata
    27.04.2010 | 21.00hs. (02.00+ GMT) | Chivas Guadalajara vs. Vélez Sarsfield
    28.04.2010 | 17.30hs. (22.30 GMT) | Universitario vs. Sao Paulo FC
    28.04.2010 | 21.50hs. (00.50+ GMT) | Flamengo vs. Corinthians
    28.04.2010 | 21.50hs. (00.50+ GMT) | CA Banfield vs. Internacional
    29.04.2010 | 19.00hs. (22.00 GMT) | Cruzeiro vs. Nacional
    29.04.2010 | 19.15hs. (00.15+ GMT) | Alianza Lima vs. Universidad de Chile
    29.04.2010 | 21.30hs. (02.30+ GMT) | Once Caldas vs. Libertad
     
  12. CheveLoco

    CheveLoco Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    San Diego, CA
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    way too easy...right now Chivas it's losing 11 players
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Velez has a huge advantage.

    The Mexican football federation took the best Mexican players away from their teams before the season is over, so that they can practice a few more days together with the national team.

    I guess Guadalajara is in trouble, as they are taking away their best Mexican players, and they don't have any foreign players to fall back on. On the other hand, San Luis will be fine, because they depend more on foreign players, and because their Mexican players are not on the national team roster.

    So, while traveling to play in Mexico is always tough, I think San Luis will be a tougher opponent for Estudiantes than Guadalajara will be for Velez.
     
  14. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    TX
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    And they have 3 or some injured apart from the ones who are in NT duty...

    this weekend they will play with nothing but youngsters from the U-20 and U17 squad

    Atrocious! LOL

    Velez should have ZERO problems...if a team like Indios beats a dismantled Chivas...Velez should def do some major damage.
     
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    According to something I just read, the CONMEBOL allows teams qualified for the next round to get 3 players from other teams from the same league as reinforcement.

    This, only because it's a World Cup year and several teams may be depleted for the latter stages. So any team losing players to their NT can apply.

    Now, it's up to each national federation to stamps the loans. Players who have already participated (or will participate) in the Copa cannot be selected.

    See:

    http://www.exonline.com.mx/diario/n.../conmebol_permite_tener_tres_refuerzos/930845

    Luego de que la Conmebol diera a conocer mediante un comunicado que todos los equipos que participen en la Copa Libertadores de este año, tendrán la oportunidad de reforzarse. Rafael Lebrija presidente deportivo de las Chivas, reconoció que esta decisión para su equipo representa un verdadero desahogo.

    “Estoy sorprendido, porque en principio la Federación nos había dicho que no podíamos contar con refuerzos, está bastante bien, es algo que me da mucho gusto, porque sí estamos un poquito apurados, nos están permitiendo reforzarnos y lo vamos a hacer vamos a aprovechar esta situación que nos da la Conmebol”, dijo el directivo rojiblanco.

    ===

    This can be news not only for Chivas, but also for Estudiantes and Vélez, since Clemente, Verón and Sosa (Estudiantes) and Otamendi and Papa (Vélez) are in the short-list for the NT and can be called at any time by Maradona.
     
  16. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    Estudiantes gran candidato a seguir avanzando-- GRAN FAVORITO

    corinthians y cruzerio o sao paulo grandes

    a velez le toco viajar lejos y no les ayuda en mes de definicion del torneo Local.
    banfield? inmaduros
    alianza lima...estan para cosas grandes, me impresiono como sacarona a Lanus del continente.

    Libertada y Once caldas? me gusta el rival....PERO ESTAN INVICTOS?
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I sense that Libertad vs. Once Caldas matchup is going to be epic.
     
  18. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    The Conmebol should put a stop to that. It severly underminds this Tournament. Either you give this tournament priority or get out. Wolverhampton in the Prem league got punished for fielding 11 reserves against Manchester united this year..Can someone name a country in the world that calls their players this early? Argentina, Brasil, Italy and the rest of the world are not going to call Messi, Kaka..etc..etc.. from the Champions league next week!! Why does mexico need their players this early? It doesn't make sense.
     
  19. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Well, if it serves of any consolation, Chivas, los Pumas, el América, Cruz Azul, Atlas and Morelia have been playing the Mexican League without their NT players for the last weeks.

    They're not disrespecting the Copa, they're just crippled by their federation in all senses because they want to do well in the WC.

    The only disrespect was Monterrey sending B players in the first game against Sao Paulo, and that was because they needed to win in their local tournament and felt even with their best team they had no chance to beat SP in Brazil.

    Otherwise, Morelia and Monterrey sent young players to the last games, but they were eliminated already. Out of 14 games played by Mexican teams, they have fielded their best teams in 11.

    They expected to win as locals, though. I must say the tie of Once Caldas in Monterrey, when the Mexican team was playing in all its power as League Leader at home, was a great achievement by the Colombians. A superb game, and I'd further add that, after that tie, the whole mentality of Morelia and Monterrey changed from a "we can go far in this tournament" to a "let's hope we can squeeze by to the next round."

    Once Caldas was magnificent that day.
     
  20. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    TX
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    Because unity makes a great team...and weve sorta done that in the last WC;s too...so it seems to bring the group together...its an important aspect! We done have the superstars that those other countries do...so b

    i do think its way to o much time...but trust me itll help
     
  21. GRBomber

    GRBomber Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    Brasília - Brazil
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So, mexican teams are INVITED to the tournament and don't send their best players (or teams, for the matter).
    Why invite them?
     
  22. Ags09

    Ags09 Member

    Club America
    Mexico
    Jun 16, 2006
    TX
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Its no always been like that...

    theres been instances where they have done it and gone through the group stage...

    if its not America, Chivas some of these other teams dont know how to play these kinds of tournaments.
     
  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Cruz Azul. The only Mexican team to make it to the final. And they lost it in the penalties.
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: Copa Libertadores 2010 discussion - part 2 [R]

    As far as I know, North Korea and South Africa already have the NT team working together. (In South Africa's case, with the exception of their European based players).

    I'm not sure about any others.
     
  25. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Actually the travel should be more of a problem for Estudiantes than for Velez, as Estudiantes is still competing in both tournaments and they are going all out to win Argentina's Apertura. Velez already threw in the towel in the Apertura, so they are more likely to rest their top players for La Copa.
     

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