O'Brien/Celo - US v Pol [R] & Starting XI

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by dncm, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    When Michaels and Madden work together, they resort to "Yak-yak" during the blow-outs.

    If the game is close, they'll stay on the game.

    DOB is really a baseball guy, who has gotten used to covering 4 hr games with 15 minutes of action, the rest being dead air.

    But it's shocking that he can't comprehend the difference between the two sports.

    Shocking.
     
  2. rogerrabbitt867

    rogerrabbitt867 New Member

    Mar 4, 2006
    Los Angeles
    I can't believe everyone has ignored the gaffe at the end of the 1st half when O'Brien said Cherundolo was a bright, engaging 19 year old!!!
     
  3. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmmmmmm.
    Sounds a lot like me......

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4711621&postcount=12

    Anyway I say we mount a campaign to get the Master behind the American mic:
    Mr.Toby Charles
     
  4. korey

    korey New Member

    Sep 7, 2004
    Lincoln, NE
  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not everybody can be JP Dellacamera. What's this obsession with U.S. soccer fans, especially fans on here, needing a play by play announcer to be some kind of soccer expert. A play by play announcer should do three things: 1. call the play, 2. have a decent voice, 3. sound like he cares somewhat about the sport. That's it. He does those things adequately in my opinion. Sure he can be better, but so can a lot of guys. If you want analysis, that's Celo's job. If he's not bringing it, look at him. DOB is looking for segways all the time to Celo's analysis and Celo leaves him hanging all the time. If anybody is unprofessional, it's Celo.
     
  6. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    You work for the Fed, SUM, or Disney.

    DOB's performance on Wednesday was the baseball equivalent
    of calling first downs, blitzes, 3 seconds in the lane, and charging
    in lieu of balls, strikes, knucklers and doubles.

    -bs
     
  7. Henry Porter

    Henry Porter Member

    Dec 9, 2005
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imo, O'Brien can't do #1 and #3.
     
  8. Geneva

    Geneva LA for Life

    Feb 5, 2003
    Southern Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he said Cher was 19, although it wasn't real clear. He meant that he was 19 when he came to Germany.
     
  9. Qamle

    Qamle Member

    May 2, 2004
    San Diego
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I doubt Bretos will be doing anything in June, perhaps we could substitute him in.......








    ;)
     
  10. Brushes Sand

    Brushes Sand Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    polychronicqatsitime
    2 hours after reading this for the first time, i'm still trying to
    understand how you derived this opinion from Wednesday.

    1. I've watched the tape 4 times now. DOB "called the play", i.e.
    attempted to describe what was transpiring on the pitch at that
    moment, less than 20% of the game. He was "accurate", i.e.
    something he said resembled what was occurring on the pitch,
    2/3rds of that time, or approximately 14% of the entire telecast.

    2. DOB has a great voice, no doubt about it. Beguiling.

    3. Sound like he cares about the sport - that's a matter of
    perspective. A quality voice can lend "authentic passion"
    to any proceeding. If your standard includes factual accuracy
    of spoken content, he scored very, very low.

    Re: analysis, segues, and "professionalism" of Celo....
    I haven't come out in defense of Celo in this thread because
    I was hoping the focus would remain on DOB; however I'm
    not in agreement with the large number of people who are
    slagging on Celo for whatever reason. I believe Celo is
    actual quality and a big step up from Keough. And Wednesday
    proves the point, when on 4 occaisions Celo would follow
    an inane/inaccurate/unrelevant comment by DOB and go
    straight to analysis of play. It was brutally obvious. Celo
    has to work with whoever Disney puts next to him. I feel
    for the guy.

    My dream is for a 3-man booth for all US fixtures:

    JP Dellacamera
    Bob Ley
    Seamus Malin
    and Celo on the sideline.

    WITH NO MUSBERGER/CHINAGLIA BULLDADA STUDO CRAP.

    -bs
     
  11. TRUEAGGIE

    TRUEAGGIE Member

    Jan 26, 2005
    Las Vegas
    Derek Rae and Tommy Smyth for all US matches. Those guys are excellent.
     
  12. ghazi

    ghazi Member

    Feb 27, 2004
    Chicago
    Re: DOB names his starting 11

    Meh! . . .they once scoffed Galileo as well!
     
  13. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Re: O'Brien/Celo - US v Pol [R]

    If soccer sells itself, it's not doing a very good job of it in the USA.
     
  14. BenfromUSA

    BenfromUSA Member

    Jan 20, 2006
    Minneapolis/St. Paul
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Al michaels would have been a great soccer announcer had it not been for the invention of american football :cool:
     
  15. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there is a certain base level of soccer knowledge needed to do (1) well (I think O'Brien is a little deficient here, and I'm not sure he'll be up to speed by the WC).

    But I agree with you that there are also unreasonable expectations being established where he needs to be some sort of super-pbp man who can also do all his own analysis. The guy who's supposed to be doing the analysis is Celo.
     
  16. Asprilla9

    Asprilla9 Member

    Dec 15, 2000
    Beaverton, OR
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i agree. if he would have grown up with the game as a follower, player or supporter ... he has the perfect disposition for it. and he knows his stuff. and he lets the action on the field do the talking.
     
  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Al Michaels is a damn smart guy ... I bet that it wouldn't take him more than a few months to learn enough about the game to be an excellent soccer announcer.

    That said, he comes with too much baggage. Many if not most soccer diehards would write him off as a Yankee football guy without ever giving him a chance. The guys who are too good for MLS certainly will think that they're too good for Al Michaels.
     
  18. Tea Men Tom

    Tea Men Tom Member

    Feb 14, 2001
    Michaels is a pro and if he were given the assignment with enough time to get ready, he would do a solid job. I

    n addition to everything else noted about O'Brien on this thread, it was obvious in the Poland match that he either didn't prepare or was incapable of preparing because he doesn't understand soccer well enough to start with. I don't think Michaels would ever go on a network telecast without being properly prepared.
     
  19. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wrong. You can't do baseball pbp without knowing a fouled "third strike" doesn't count, you can't do football pbp without having some idea what holding is, you can't do basketball pbp without telling a block from a charge, and you can't do soccer pbp without knowing the backpass rule.

    The analyst can elaborate on these rules, but the pbp guy MUST be at least able to id the situation and make it known to the viewer.
     
  20. crusio

    crusio New Member

    May 10, 2004
    Princeton
    I don't know where Tommy Smyth with a Y got such a bad rap. He's good on many levels.
     

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